“Out of your mouths…”

Word Faith has a funny doctrine… What you speak out of your mouth you create.

“You just will be the death of me!” Always gets a hurried, “Don’t say that!!!” from panicky Charismatics, worried that your thoughtless complaint will cause you to rupture and fall to the ground, your body splitting in two or green foam run out of your mouth, or something like that.

Here’s the line of reasoning behind this.

  1. God created the Universe by speaking.
  2. God made Adam
  3. Adam was created in the image of God, right down to being an exact duplicate. He even LOOKED just like God. Same eye color and everything.
  4. This means Adam was a g-d, with amazing power. Whatever God could do, Adam could do.
  5. When Adam sinned, God was (l’havdil) kicked out of this world, and lost the legal right to interfere here.
  6. Jesus Christ was (l’havdil) the first Born Again man, and restored to us the right to be g-ds again.
  7. We are now g-ds again, and have all the powers of God.

Okay, ready to analyze this by the Bible?

I can prove steps one and two from the Bible. That’s about it. The rest is pagan and New Thought occultism. It’s not Christianity at all.

First, God is God. God can do anything. It’s not hard for Him. God is limitless.

Adam had limits. There’s nothing in the Bible about Adam flying like a bird, breathing underwater like a fish, jumping to the moon, or any of the other claims by Word Faith teachers.

Adam created nothing except excuses and denial.

If Adam was a g-d, how was Satan able to tempt him? Does anyone ever think this stuff through?

“If you eat this apple, you’ll be like a g-d.” “Uh… too late, I already am.” “Foiled again!”

No, Satan told Adam that he would be like God in that he would know the difference between good and evil. So Adam would be like God.

This tells me that A). Adam was not a god and B). the first Word Faith preacher was Satan, not E. W, Kenyon.

All right – let’s try a test. Command a planet to come into existence, right next to the Earth. If you’re a g-d, do it! It’s easy for God. He didn’t even have to concentrate, practice some light reps with a bar of fifty pound weights to get warmed up! Go ahead, I’ll wait.

Hm! Didn’t happen?

You’re not a god. We are not gods.

using the rule of first mention, who was the first person to claim that?


Get out of Word Faith while you can.


The Word Faith Movement Examined 11

A note – on this page I provide hyperlinks to check the veracity of quotes I will give. These hyperlinks are only for the purposes of verifying my sources. I do not endorse everything on these websites. Use caution.Central to the Word Faith movement is that of positive confessionalism. In other words, the theory claims that you have the creative force to speak something into existence.

The theory is complicated, which should be a clue it is not of God. The roots of it go back to Smith Wigglesworth, Finis J. Dake, Mormonism and Mary Baker Eddy/Christian Science.

Why do I include the last two?

Because essentially, the movement claims at its basis the following unScriptural doctrines – the source of those teachings is in parentheses:

  1. Faith is a substance, like Gravity (E. W. Kenyon)
  2. God spoke Faith, causing the Universe to spring into being. By His positive confession of faith, the Universe created itself. (E. W. Kenyon / Dake)
  3. God reproduced Himself on earth, creating a race of Little Gods. (Mormonism)
  4. When we sinned in the garden, we gave the legal right to the world over to Satan, and God had to – pause – retreat from this world. I added the pause, because there was no way I was going to write out such an uninterrupted blasphemy. (Kenneth Hagin / Mormonism)
  5. Because God supposedly is not in our Universe, He supposedly can do nothing unless we give Him permission to do it. (Hagin/Kenyon)
  6. we lost our legal rights ot be gods in this world, because Satan owns it. Our nature was exchanged for Satan’s nature. (Mormonism)
  7. Jesus, the perfect man, had to die and go to Hell for three days, He became sin itself on the Cross, and had to suffer in Hell for three days. (Kenyon)
  8. In Hell, Jesus became the first born-again Man, and through His newly restored Godhood, left Hell, paying the way for us to enter heaven. (Kenyon/Hagin)
  9. Since God’s will is for us to be healthy and wealthy, the Gospel is the healing is ours when we permit it. And if we speak money into existance, it will happen. (Christian Science / New Thought)
  10. We are the same as Jesus, the first Born Again man – except we will do mightier works. After all, are we not gods? (Mormonism / Christian Science)
  11. And since the Bible says “Ye will do greater things than me…”, the average Word Faith practitioner is BETTER than Jesus! (Hagin / Copeland / Price)

The answer is… no, not by a long shot! And anyone that can espouse this nonsense will not be entering Heaven. Notice they are worshipping a false god, a false Jesus, a false Gospel. I’m going to prove it.

The false god of Word Faith, notice, is not the God of the Bible.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:1-5 (KJV)

Notice the God of the Bible creates the Universe from nothing. He is omnipotent, meaning “all powerful”.

The false god of Word Faith has to use existing forces, “Faith”. He does not have all power. He must use what someone else made – who it is is unknown. and in the Word Faith universe… the universe makes itself. It has to, in obedient response to god’s positive confession of faith. Who does their false God have faith in??? Obviously someone higher than himself. The god of the Word Faith movement is not the God of the Bible.

The God of the Bible dwells in Heaven, but is everywhere at once. He is omnipresent.

The false god of Word Faith dwelt on Earth when he made it, and had to flee when “Legal rights” were given over to Satan. He now dwells on a planet. No doubt the Bible is named Kolob, as the Mormons teach. So far, the entire creation of the world account as given by Word Faith teachers is amazingly reminiscent of those given by the Book of Mormon.

Where did these “Legal rights” come from? Where were they created? Where did, according to Word Faith teachers, Satan come from? They don’t say.

Who enforces these legal rights the Word Faith teachers talk about? They speak of a “Supreme court of the universe…” Who is that? Who is so powerful that God has to obey their legal decisions?

translation – there are other gods, each with their own planets. Right out of the Book of Mormon. I’ll be providing these quotes later on, trust me,

That’s not the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible does not retreat or flee. The God of the Bible is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. All powerful, all knowing, everywhere at once.

The Word Faith teachers will say things like “Jesus, the perfect man.” I don’t know who they’re talking about. It’s not the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible. And as Justin Peters repeats in his A Call To Discernment videos, “If it is a different Jesus, it is a different Gospel, and a different Gospel cannot save.”

The Lord Jesus Christ in the Bible is more than a man. The Lord Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, Emmanuel. He is eternally pre-existent. The Lord Jesus Christ existed before the creation of the universe.

the “Perfect man” Jesus sounds more like the Christian Science “Jesus”. Perfect, the first “born again man.” That’s crucial to the word faith teachers, as it makes the miracles the Lord did available to all of us… for a love offering of $1,000 or higher. I actually have a video of a Word Faith teacher dismissing a $1,000 offering as “nothing – we’ve got people on Welfare vowing that – and paying it!!!”

They don’t always come out and add the last part, but if you listen closely, it’s in there. Always indirectly hinted at. More often than not, they come out and say it. “send me a thousand dollars.” We’re years away from Marjoe Gortner, who confessed in his documentary, “Just ask for ten dollars in a cookie jar. Because there’s at least 5 little old ladies in every city who’s got five dollars in a cookie jar, and they’ll send it to you. You can make $5,000 in a month doing that.” Greed has pushed the Wird Faith teachers into asking for the $1,000 right now – because apparently if you have 5 people in every city with it, and you’re in 40 cities on Cable – well, you’ll make $200,000 a month! Marjoe is probably thinking to himself he got out way too soon.

The Word Faith movement Jesus is a false Jesus, another Jesus, as the Bible says. To quote Justin Peters, “Another Jesus, another gospel.” The Bible says that anyone who preaches another gospel is to be accursed. In other words, they themselves are not born again.

What is faith?

1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

Indeed, this is the verse taken out of context and misused by Word Faith teachers.

Heb 11:1 εστιν δε πιστις ελπιζομενω υποστασις πραγματων ελεγχος ου βλεπομενων

The word we’ll be dealing wtih here is not πιστις Pistis, Faith, but rather… υποστασις Hupostasis (For some reasn, the diacritic is not showing up…. sorry… it really starts with an H sound).

Hupostasis, (Hoo po Stah sis) is a compound of two Greek words Hupo and Histemi. Hupo means under, through. Histemi means to stand, to be in place, established. Indeed, Apostasy comes from a usage of Histemi meaning “to move from where you stood”, “To deviate from the correct standing”. I mention this on purpose, by the way.

So Hupostasis would then mean to be established in understanding. “Confidence” or “Assurance” would be another word for it.

I’ve listed the verses where this word is used. The bolded word is Hupostasis.

4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting. 2 Corinthians 9:4 (KJV)

17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. 2 Corinthians 11:17 (KJV)

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Hebrews 1:3 (KJV)

14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; Hebrews 3:14 (KJV)

The Bible is not, then, saying “substance” in the way that electrons are a “Substance”. The concept is that “Faith” then would be something you could hold in your hand, like water.

This is an incorrect view, as you could plainly see for yourself by examining Hupostasis in context in the other 4 verses it is used in. If the Word Faith teachers all had the Websters 1828, like Fundamentalists do, they would know it means:

“The essential part; the main or material part. In this epitome, we have the substance of the whole book.”

now faith is (The essential part) of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (paraphrase, to give understanding to the words used in the authorized version)

When you say your Word Faith god is speaking in faith, you are in essence (that word essence right there would have been Hupostasis in the Greek, by the way) claiming that your little G god had confidence in something other than himself. In other words, the god of the Word Faith movement had to have a God of his own! Meaning the Word Faith movement god was a created being, who exalted himself to the place of God.

And indeed they are Biblically correct here – there is indeed a created being who exalted himself to the place of God:

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah 14:13-14 (KJV)

The Bible actually gives the name of this created being in the previous verse, and even tells what the result of his “positive confession” that he is a little god will be!

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV)

Let’s test this further. We have a created being who exalts himself into the place of god, and gives a positive confession that he is a little god. Does he teach others the same thing?

1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:1-5 (KJV)

So the very first cardinal doctrine of the Word Faith movement is refuted right off the bat!

I’m going to further show that the Word Faith movement is incompatible with Christianity, and indeed is the antithesis of Biblical Christianity.

Biblical Christianity says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, the wages of sin is death, God commendeth His love in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us, and those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. That’s the Romans Road, a boiling down of the Gospel into a few seconds. It places the burden on Man, in that we are sinners, and the wages of sin is death. God gave us a way to salvation through the propitiairy sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. By repenting of our sins and our sinful ways and turning to the Lord, confessing His name and pleading with Him to save us, we have faith in the Lord to save us by His grace. That’s the Gospel.

Word Faith says that god created the world by the speaking of his mouth, but we, little gods all, gave away the legal right of this world to Satan. So the god of Word Faith, unable to interfere in this world without our permission sent a man named Jesus to die and go to Hell and be punished for us. while in Hell this man Jesus became born again, and resumed his original nature as a god. So we, when we are born again, are little gods again. The god of the Word Faith movement requires our mighty permission to act in this world, and when we speak this faith substance, we create just as the Word Faith god created – and when we pray, we give this powerless god the ability to act in this world.

Biblical Christianity gives God the glory, and boasts of the mightiness of God. Word Faith gives man the glory, and claims god is powerless. It is a different God, a different Jesus, a different Gospel.

The Bible warned that false teachers would arise, bringing false gospels.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Acts 20:29-30 (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 2 Corinthians 11:3-5 (KJV)

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9 (KJV)

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:18 (KJV)

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23 (KJV)

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3 (KJV)

7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:7-9 (KJV)

In light of everything we’ve examined, it’s time we started making conclusions, uncomfortable ones. We’ve shown the Word Faith teachers are teaching something that has to be considered another Gospel. The Bible is clear what we must do to any that teach this false gospel.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2 John 1:10-11 (KJV)

The question now is… do most Word Faith teachers deny the Godhood of the Lord Jesus Christ? That is the other component that positively would identify them as the antichrists spoken of in these verses. (All quotes were found on Let Us Reason unless otherwise noted. Some additional quotes were found in the E-Book Heresy Unmasked by Basilius M. Kasera)

“why didn’t Jesus openly proclaim Himself as God during His 33 years on earth? For one single reason. He hadn’t come to earth as God, He’d come as man.” Kenneth Copeland

“Jesus existed only as an image in the heart of God, until such time as the prophets of the Old Testament could positively confess Jesus into existence through their constant prophecies.” Kenneth Copeland

“When His blood poured out it did not atone.” (Kenneth Copeland) http://www.alan-vincent.com/wordoffaithmovement.htm

“Don’t be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you’re God -the more you get to be like me, the more they’re going to think that way of you. They crucified me for claiming that I was God. But I didn’t claim I was God, I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in me.” Kenneth Copeland, quoting what someone named Jesus supposedly told him.

“The trinity is a doctrine of the devil.” William Branham.

“Jesus is not God.” Paula White

“the trinity is of course God the father God the son God the holy Ghost. We have to be careful because religion has us sometime thinking we have three different Gods. You know there’s God here ..hey holy ghost- hey Jesus…its God one God one faith one baptism not three Gods not three faiths not baptism’s everytime you mess up,one. God the father, one God, three functions one and different functions God functioning as a father- God functioning as a son -God functioning as the holy ghost.” Creflo Dollar

“I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions so separate each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.” T. D. Jakes

“God the Father. ladles and gentlemen, is a Person, and He is a triune being by Himself, separate from the Son and the Holy Ghost… God the Father 1s a Person, God the Son Is a Person. God the Holy Ghost Is a Person. But each of them is a triune being by Himself. It I can shock you- and maybe I should- there’s nine of ’em… God the Father, ladies and gentlemen. Is a Person with His own personal spirit, with His own personal soul, and His own personal spirit body. You say, 1 never read that.’ Well, you think you’re in this church to hear things that you’ve heard for the last fifty years? Ladles and gentlemen, this thing is in my book and was tested by three theologians… it’s all in the Word…” Benny Hinn

“Teachers of the Trinity teach that Jesus is Jehovah; they have no scriptures to back this up, and why don’t they believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that Jehovah is Jehovah?” Gwen Shamblin

“God the father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, God three in one. The Holy Ghost is no different than Jesus and Jesus is no different than the Holy Ghost …water you see it… if you take that to a scientists and ask it to analyze that and tell you what it is. He won’t tell you its water he’ll say that’s two parts hydrogen one part oxygen.That’s H2O now if take this and boil it and I capture the steam and I take that to the scientist he won’t say its steam he’ll say its H2O if I take this and put it in the freezer and take it to the same scientist hand it to the scientist say analyze this for me he won’t say that’s ice he’ll say that’s H2O they’re all H2O but there different manifestations of the same thing.” Rod Parsley

“You can’t call us ‘Jesus only,’ as some have. We do not deny the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit, We believe Jesus Christ is wholly, fully, absolutely and completely God. But no one isgoing to put us in the position of saying there are three Gods.” Tommy Tenny, author, United Pentacostal Church

Do Word Faith Teachers deny the atonement on the Cross? Yes. They insist the atonement had to be paid in Hell.

“Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a cross? If that were the case, the thieves could have paid your price.” Frederick K. C. Price

“Physical death would not remove our sins. He tasted death for every man – spiritual death. Jesus is the first person ever to be born again. Why did HIS spirit need to be born again? Because it was estranged from God.” Kenneth Hagin

“It wasn’t the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin … anybody could do that.” Kenneth Copeland

“Jesus Christ knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him…He became sin, so sinners can be righteous in Him. He became one with the nature of Satan, so all those who had the nature of Satan can partake of the nature of God.” Benny Hinn http://www.alan-vincent.com

“Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only” Kenneth Copeland

It’s really time we stopped calling these men Christians. Most of them have denied the Godhood of the Lord Jesus Christ. If they don’t repent, they’re getting left behind in the Tribulation, and they’re going straight to hell at the moment of death.

The Bible commands us to separate from any who deny the Godhood of Jesus. We are to mark them and avoid them, not even wishing them Godspeed, lest we share in their punishment. How can two walk together, unless they be in agreement? Kenneth Copeland, Gloria Copeland, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Hagin, T. D. Jakes, Creflo Dollar, and Myles Munroe are heretics, who teach blasphemies and damnable heresies, denying even the Lord which bought them. Unless they repent, they face a terrible future in Hell.

Who is the Lord?

2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go. Exodus 5:2 (KJV)

You’re all God. You don’t have a God living in you; you are one! … When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, ‘I AM,’ I say, ‘Yeah, I am too!'” (Kenneth Copeland, “The Force of Love,” Tape BBC-56).

“God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. … He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn’t come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He’s going to have to be in agreement with a man here.” (Kenneth Copeland, God’s Covenants With Man II, 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1)

There is real problems with defining God in Word Faith.  As I mentioned yesterday, Copeland and many other Word Faith teachers claim God is a man, having a body. The Bible teaches something else, but that’s beside the point.

Now for the major issue. God, according to the Word Faith teachers, is not God. We are g-d. I remember reading a quote from either Kenneth Hagin or Kenneth Copeland where whoever the word faith teacher was rebuked Satan, and God supposedly said to him, “I’m glad you said something to him, I couldn’t do it!”

The issue is – to the faith preacher, God is not g-d, but the faith teacher is.

“God’s reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself…He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even” (Kenneth Copeland, “Following the Faith of Abraham,” tape 01-3001).

Man…was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…. God has made us as much like Himself as possible…. He made us the same class of being that He is Himself…. Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with God…. The believer is called Christ….That’s who we are; we’re Christ!  (Kenneth E. Hagin, “Zoe: The God-Kind of Life” (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), pp. 35-36, 41.)

Um… no. I’m not Jesus Christ. Not by a long shot. If you think that we’re Jesus Christ, your definition of Jesus Christ is tremendously faulty.

Jesus Christ is God. He does not require permission. He does not require faith. He does not require…

…any of us. Jesus Christ will never say, “I need you” or “I can do nothing without you.” Indeed, He says the opposite – we can do nothing apart from Him!

But every Word Faith teacher reports hearing from Jesus Christ (which one, I don’t know, but it’s not the Jesus of the Bible…) “I need you, son, I need you.” Or, “I need you boy, I need you.” Or… the exact word in the middle changes depending on the style of speech.


Biblical Answer – this is the Son of God. I want you to really grasp that. The very moment that the deed to the earth is held forth in Heaven, and the question is asked, “Who is worthy to open?” those in Heaven actually weep, because of their unworthiness.

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Revelation 5:1-5 (KJV)

Read it. Don’t skip it. The words of Philip are completely unimportant in this moment. Really reflect on this, that no man could even LOOK at the seals, let alone open them. Only Jesus Christ.

And he looks at Benny Hinn and says… “I need you. I need you.”

When does this happen? Only in Benny Hinn’s imagination. The REAL Jesus Christ is so POWERFUL, so AMAZING, so HOLY, that… He does not need us. If every human being rejected Him, he’d be sad. And He’d be utterly right to condemn every Human Being to Hell.

To claim Jesus Christ is telling you personally, “I need you” is to place yourself higher than God. You know, I don’t think I’d really want to explain myself to Jesus Christ why I was saying this.

Because He just might ask. And if Hinn  and Copeland are not saved…. He most assuredly will require them to explain these statements to all His redeemed, who will be watching – and probably grieving as they see so many forced to make an account of themselves.

The Spirit of God spoke to me, and He said “Son, realize this” Now follow me in this, don’t let your tradition trip you up. He said “Think this way. A twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible..I said “What?” He said “A born-again man defeated Satan – the first-born of many brethren defeated him.” He said “You are the very image, and the very copy of that one.” I said “Goodness Gracious, saints alive.” I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said “Well you don’t mean – You couldn’t dare mean that I could have done the same thing?” He said “Oh yeah. If you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did you could’ve done the same thing cause you’re a re-born man too.” (Kenneth Copeland, “Substitution and Identification” (Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989, audio tape #00-0202, side 2)

Kenneth Copeland teaches an utter denial of Jesus Christ, and a pagan exalting of himself as just as much a god as Jesus Christ. Indeed, he seems to skirt around disparaging Jesus Christ almost every chance he gets.

If you are in a Word Faith church, you need to really start examining your beliefs in light of the Bible. Does the Bible line up with this stuff? Or not?

If not… you need to get out of it, fast.

Where Did we get so many false teachers and teachings from???

I sit here, listening to sermons on my laptop while I write. It’s so difficult in the Laodecian age to find pastors that preach correct doctrine. You find this guy, hey, he’s pretty good, but he’s got this error. This guys a really good preacher, but he’s Calvinist. Or this guy’s Armenianist, and believes he has to maintain his own salvation. That’s a big error.

David Wilkerson is a powerful preacher, but he was pentecostal. Yet he was the most powerful voice against Word Faith teachings since the 70’s. He was speaking out against it years before John McArthur began.

I like listening to Walter Martin – but he too spoke in tongues.

I like this Dan guy, really good Bible teacher, but he’s Baptist Brider. So now I have to wade through all that “It matters who baptizes you” and “Did they have authority to start a church?” and other issues.

It’s breaking my heart. Lord, whatever happened to Godly men teaching sound doctrine? It’s like Marc Monte said once, that early in the 19th century, you could go to pretty much any Protestant or Baptist church and find the true Gospel preached.

And I visit Baptist bulletin boards, and find people speaking critically of David Cloud. Really? His doctrine’s good – not like the cult figure of Jack Hyles/Jack Schaap, or the heretical teachings of Riplinger, or Peter Ruckman. So Baptists have no leg to stand on when we point fingers at false teachers OUTSIDE Baptistdom – we’ve got our own heretics as well!

Now in the 21st Century the Gospel is a muddled mess. Let’s see what people are teaching…

  • God wants you healthy and rich. If you can’t speak it into existence, you’ve got a lack of faith.
  • All you have to do is believe. Don’t repent – that’s works!
  • You don’t have to be born again – you were predestined to be saved, and nothing you can do can change that.
  • You were predestined to be saved, but that doesn’t take away your responsibility to obey the Gospel and be born again.
  • You don’t have to be born again, everyone is saved. Halleluyah!
  • precious few will be saved. I made it, the rest of you will burn forever. Mwahahahaha!
  • You have to repent and be baptized to be saved
  • you have to repent and confess you are a sinner to the Lord Jesus Christ and ask Him to forgive you
  • you just have to beleive – don’t repent! That word’s not even in the Bible!
  • you must join the Roman Catholic Church, as there is salvation in no other church.
  • you must have obedience to God’s chosen organization, the Governing Body of the Jehovah’s Witnesses
  • you must be a seventh day adventist, and perform good works to be saved
  • you must confess EVERY Sin you’ve ever committed! And Jesus Christ must be the absolute Lord of every area of your life to be saved!
  • You must evidence all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit to be saved
  • If you don’t speak in tongues, you aren’t saved.
  • If you’re not a member of the True Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, you are not saved.
  • If you believe in the Trinity, you aren’t saved
  • if you don’t believe in the Trinity, you aren’t saved

See the problem? There’s truth mixed in there. Did you spot it, in the middle of all the apostasy and heresy? Or did you fall for the lies in there? How do you know what’s true and not?

The correct answer is the Bible. But the Bible just doesn’t say in one verse in Genesis 1:1 “You have to repent and understand you are a sinner.” Verse 2 “And ye must ask the Lord Jesus to forgive thee and save thee.”

The Bible mixes everything together. You’ll find the salvation message all throughout the Bible. The Lord did it this way on purpose. You can be saved just reading the Gospel of John. But there’s a lot of doctrine all throughout the Bible. It takes study to be able to know what is correct doctrine or not. This is how the Christian grows. If you don’t STUDY your Bible, you’re going to be led astray by a wolf in sheeps clothing, pure and simple. I draw attention to the fact that so many people read C. S. Lewis and think he was saved! And Sunday School classes get together and read “Mere Christianity”. And they find themselves drifting into Thomas A Kempis, and St. John of The Cross, and St. Alba of the Nightstand, and whatever. And suddenly the Pastor starts wondering why so many people in the church are obsessing about salvation and “obedience”.

The sunday School class goes out and buys a program on seeking God. And soon everyone’s touchy-feely about love… and someone begins speaking in tongues in a Southern Baptist Church. Well, yeah – you brought in the Charismatic stuff back in Vacation Bible School, and didn’t even notice! And you had stuff on God whispering, and desiring God, and crazy love… and suddenly your Baptist Church has calvinists and tongues speakers! And the Pastor wonders if its too late to weave cords into a whip and cleanse the Temple.

Friends, we trust everyone who names the name of Christ! Did we stop to see whether or not that’s what the Bible tells you to do? No! We are to study to shew thyself approved. We are to test the spirits. We are warned that grevious wolves will arise – and boy, have they!

I’m telling you right now, probably 95% of what most Christian Bookstores sell is heresy or false teachings. I look at Sunday School curriculums, and shudder. I would have to buy one to see how many doctrinal errors are in it. Before I could in good conscience use the materials, I’d have to go through one, and if necessary line things out with permanent black ink to keep people from reading false doctrine.

I’ve looked at the video curriculums they push, and most of them scare me. My only options now would be taking a DVd curriculum, and editing out any parts that were unScriptural. Why is it I have to do all this? How did Baptists ever get to this point???

The Bible warns us in the last days, some will depart from the faith. More like, most. The Lord even wondered if Faith would be found on the Earth when He returned. The letters to the seven churches show the last days to be marked by churches that make the Lord sick to His stomach. Why do I write about so many heresies and false doctrines??? Because I HAVE to. If I don’t, people will go blindly on, many into damnation, and many Christians into a lack of rewards!

Here’s the question – does it bother YOU? Why are YOU not upset at the wholesale apostasy today? What are you going to do about it?

A New Kind Of Heretic

Gen 3:1-5 NOW the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: (3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

“Imagine that you’re a…[whatever]”.

Thus begins our introduction to Brian D. McClaren’s “A New Kind of Christianity”. It certainly is not how the book starts – but understanding this is a key to surviving a read of his writings without succumbing to apostasy, heresy, or otherwise damnable errors.

McClaren portrays himself as a “mild-mannered” guy, and begins his book by describing good, solid Christians placing yellow sheets of paper on windshields warning people about him. It is a shame they were not listening.

McClaren thus begins a tactic to accomplish two things: bring your defenses down (“Mild Mannered”) and make you sympathize with him – and thus be more open to whatever heresy he wants to sell you – and second, to make you think that whatever he’s about to sell you is helpful.

And helpful it is, if you’re not a truly born-again believer and are trying to be led astray and away from a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. If you’re trying instead to save your immortal soul from everlasting hellfire, then McClaren’s book is the last thing you want to read.

He tells us “I never wanted to be a controversial religious leader.” Actually, he’s not. He’s respected and loved – except among Bible-believing Christians. Where he’s rejected and feared. And yet “fear” is exactly what McClaren is trying to portray himself as suffering. “Confidence in the hall, fear in the car park.” He writes.

“Dogma” or “Doctrine”?

McClaren is fond of using the word “Dogma” in replacement of the more accurate word “Doctrine” when referring to the teachings of Bible-believing Churches.

The term is not inaccurate – Webster’s 1828 Dictionary defines Dogma as…

DOGMA, n. [Gr., to think; L.] A settled opinion; a principle, maxim or tenet; a doctrinal notion, particularly in matters of faith and philosophy; as the dogmas of the church; the dogmas of Plato.

However, in the mind of a liberal, unsaved person, the term “Dogma” carries negative connotations. It seems to imply, to an unsaved person, that one’s beliefs, are “Narrowminded”, inflexible, unrealistic, judgmental. McClaren is subtly attempting to emotionally prejudice his readers against the Bible-believing Church by using the phrase.

Thouless Dishonest Thinking trick #1 – Emotionally charged words

The term can be found three times in two pages, as he begins chapter two.

The parables that McClaren uses (US Revolution, Evolution, Einstein and Relativity, Racial rights, Astronomy) are very misleading. He seems to insinuate that Christianity is opposed to democracy (he is obviously not a Baptist)…

Thouless Dishonest Thinking trick #34 – Bad or Forced Analogy

and goes so far as to offer a very tenuous argument against a literal interpretation of the Bible (“You’d expect species to radiate out from one center, but the patterns you’re observing don’t support that dogma at all” pgs 14&15). His insinuations is that science again and again trumps the Bible – but again, his arguments are tentuous, and presented in many cases by mere insinuation. He also fails to cite his evidence, leaving us unable to check these so-called patterns. The obvious conclusion is that he’s making that up – or he’d cite his so-called proof!

Thouless Dishonest Thinking trick #31 – Faulty Assumptions

He suggests on page 15 that the Bible teaches the earth to be the center of the universe, and holds up Galileo Galilei as a warrior bravely facing against traditional Christianity! Alas, he is woefully mistaken. Galileo was a Christian, and the teaching was that held at the time by the Roman Catholic Church, and not by Christianity. And certainly is not the teaching of the Bible…

Psa 19:4-6 KJV Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, (5) Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. (6) His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Yet McClaren states on page 15 authoritatively, “All Christians have known with absolute and objective certainty that the earth is fixed and immovable in the center of the universe, and that the moon, planets, suns and stars str securely embedded in ten majestic crystalline spheres that rotate around the earth.” He’s lying or wrong. There’s no other conclusion.

Thouless Dishonest Thinking trick #2 – Faulty Distribution (Making an argument where “all” is implied or presented, but only “some” is actually true).

It’s a shame Mr. McClaren never checked his beliefs against the Bible, or his apparent lack of knowledge about history against the Bible. He would never have set himself up for embarrassment in this manner.

His insinuation is that just in the same way that Christians didn’t believe in Evolution (We don’t – scientific facts do not support it), don’t believe in Democracy (again, he was not a Baptist, and had no idea that democratic governing is a hallmark of Baptists going back from Baptists, to Anabaptists, to the Waldenses and Albigenses, to the Donatists, to the early Christian church)… didn’t believe in Astronomy (Galileo was a Christian, not a Catholic by convinction), and therefore are against civil rights and racial rights.

Thouless Dishonest Thinking trick #7 – Proof by bad or inconsequential argument

It’s a straw man argument he has set up, and hurriedly moves along, again insinuating his points and not belaboring them. In this manner McClaren attempts to demonize the Christian faith, and cause impressionable youth (who will merely repeat a good argument without verifying it first) to get an unsavory impression of Christianity, and pursue his blasphemy instead.

Twice in these paragraphs he makes quick fallacious jabs at the Bible, attempting to imply that the Bible is untrustworthy, and therefore must be read allegorically.

Thouless Dishonest Thinking trick #10 – Pointing out the logical correctness of the form of an argument whose premisescontain doubtful or untrue statements of fact

This argument makes a lie out of the book title – there is nothing new about this approach. It dates back to Augustine, and to Origen, the two fathers of the Roman Catholic Church.

It may well be we may see McClaren make his bid in the next few years for the office of Pope of the Emergent Church. McClaren may well see himself in position within five years to begin attempting to try assimilating the Roman Catholic Church (which never works – the RCC is a Juggernaut, steamrolling everything in its path. Any attempt to reform it fails, and those attempting to build bridges to it are in reality returning home to the Great Whore).


Mr. McClaren also attempts another subtle trick. In many cases, he uses overly complicated vocabulary to slide his points past the unwary reader.

Thouless Dishonest Thinking trick #25 – Prestige by the use of pseudo-technical jargon

Possibly anticipating that most readers will be unfamiliar with terms like “overarching”, he uses the term perhaps in the hope that the unwary and less educated reader will skip over the unfamiliar words, and thus miss part of his point. In his question, “What is the over-arching theme of the Bible?” most readers will miss what the question is really asking. It is not asking, “What is the theme of the Bible?” but “What theme of the Bible covers over it from first lesson to last?”

The answer is obvious. The most ignorant person in a Baptist Church could answer that question. “The need for Salvation from sin and death, which is a free gift in Jesus Christ!”

God made it that simple for a reason!

2Co 11:2-3 KJV For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. (3) But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The Bible message is simple so that even the Simple can understand it, turn and be saved. Paul warns us that a subtle teacher (whom McClaren most definitely is) could corrupt the Christian’s mind from “the Simplicity that is in Christ.”

That would indeed be a pity if a good Christian were to be bamboozled by McClaren’s trickery. What worries me is the majority of false converts that flock to churches, who are swayed away by this heresy, to be lost forever by following this. If they stayed in the church, it’s probable that listening to Biblical preaching would eventually lead to their actual salvation. And how many times have we seen someone who’s been in a church for 20 years suddenly realize they never were truly saved, and finally come to the altar one Sunday! Those that get misled by McClaren may never get the chance, and will one day find themselves on Jesus’s left hand, and hear those terrible words, “Away from me, I never knew you…”

The 96th Thesis

On page 18, McClaren offers what he calls the 96’th thesis (referring to the 95 thesis posted by Roman Catholic monk and persecuter of Baptists Martin Luther). His thesis is interesting indeed…

“It’s time for a quest, launched by new questions…a quest for a new kind of Christian faith.” Whatever kind of faith McClaren is proclaiming, it is indeed not Christian at all. It follows Greek thought and philosophy, something the Apostle Paul warns about in Colossians:

Col 2:8 KJV Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

McClaren most certainly applies wonderfully here to that verse. The amazing thing is, like Roman Catholicism before him, he dares to call it Christian. He is presenting another Gospel, an allegorical one. It is post modernism to the Nth degree: “My truth may not be your truth.”

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. John 18:37-38 (KJV)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 (KJV)

What McClaren is saying is, “my Jesus may not be your Jesus.”

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 2 Cor 11:4 (KJV)

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 2 Cor 11:13-15 (KJV)


You know, I have hopes.

There’s a famous pastor with a megachurch. He’s got three components to his sermon, and he just repeats that sermon with different words, every week. He bought a former basketball arena, his mother survived cancer, and he found himself with a pulpit and a TV show when his father unexpectedly died.

If you’ve watched him once, you know exactly who he is.

He means well. He wants to be liked. He feels good being liked! He likes everybody! He wants to build you up, and make you feel better about yourself.

But he means well.

He actually reads his Bible in preparation for his sermons. And he actually quotes the Bible once or twice in each sermon.

I have hopes.

I have hopes that one of these days, he’ll be trying to find a way to re-write the one sermon he gives every week, and he’ll open his Bible, feeling very good about himself. Why, everyone likes me!

And he’ll read this.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 2 Timothy 4:3-5 (KJV)

and maybe JUST maybe, this very influential minister may pause and ask, “Lord… is this talking about me??? Am I one of those teachers this passage talks about?”

Because I think this man is sincere. He’s sincerely wrong in everything he teaches.

And I think if he ever realizes this, he’ll turn. And he may begin learning sound doctrine. And maybe he’ll begin speaking out.

I pray this happens. Because if Joel Osteen were to begin preaching the truth, and stand up and say, “forget everything I ever taught you! Throw my old books away!” and start addressing things like the Gospel, etc…

He could have a HUGE IMPACT. He’d lose his TV show. His book deals. And he’d finally look Larry King in the eye and say, “Yes, Larry – I believe the Bible is very clear – Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven.”

Joel – it’s better to be RIGHT than to be LIKED.

Joel may or may not be saved. I’m afraid he may well make it to heaven, and ask about his millions of followers, and hear, “Joel, you did not explain the Gospel to them. They thought if they just were happy, they would be saved. They are not very happy now.”

Joel, if he is saved, may not hear the words “Well done”. He’s blown every chance he was handed to give the Gospel, to confront the world and tell them, however gently he is led to say it, “You’re a sinner. and sin demands its payday. But you don’t have to be punished for that. God paid the way for you.”

So far, he has refused to embrace re-defining marriage, unlike a lot of other wool-clad wolves. And that gives me hope for Joel.

Pray for him.

Mormonism Answered 7

A brief defense of Joseph Smith, which is going to sound odd, but in fairness, I think I should do it. Please read to the end of it before you decry me as a heretic!

Joseph Smith was very young when he pretended to meet God and Jesus Christ. From what I’ve read, he was fairly interested in becoming a Methodist, but his main problem was, “Why are there so many denominations?”

Well, that’s an easy question he could have had answered if he’d approached any Baptist pastor – the Bible warned that grievious wolves would arise, sparing not the flock.

We have heretics arising like Augustine and John Calvin, teaching unbiblical doctrines. Those doctrines were further expounded on by Zwingli, which is where we got all the “reformed” denominations. You have Martin Luther, who protested the Roman Catholic church, but didn’t go far enough in rejecting unBiblical doctrines like infant baptism.

There are assorted synods, and simple arguments like a Pew tax, which is where the Free Methodists came from.

Joseph Smith began this at age 15, never having even learned basic elementary Christian doctrines.

I will say this, the evidence was showing that God speaking to Joseph Smith, the same way He speaks to every human, calling them to repent, to seek Him, to have their sins washed clean.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18 (KJV)

Smith instead decided to create his own religion, one that would answer his questions. Alas, he lacked any understanding of basic Christian doctrines, such as Salvation by grace without works, believer’s baptism, etc.

There are about ten major areas of doctrine one studies when they’re called into the ministry, each having profound implications if you neglect any one part.

  1. Soteriology (salvation)
  2. Theology (the study of God and His nature)
  3. Christology (the study of Jesus Christ and His nature)
  4. Pneumatology (the study of the Holy Spirit and His nature)
  5. Ekklesiology (study of the church)
  6. Bibliology (study of the Bible and its makeup and nature)
  7. Eschatology (study of prophecy and last things)
  8. Hamartiology (study of sin and its origins and implications)
  9. Angelology (the study of the created beings of Angels and devils)
  10. Anthropology (the study of Man and how he fits into God’s plan)

Trust me, I know – some areas I would have liked to study longer in Seminary ended up being glossed over, and some I thought should have been glossed over were entirely too long (like Ekklesiology!).

THe point here is, Smith came up with all of this at 20 years old. To have invented the Book of Mormon was a prodigious undertaking! It’s a large book. Compared to most Buddhist writings, it’s huge. At a quick glance, it looks almost as large as the Bible.

Smith faced the task and completed it. He did it without any training in doctrine, and at a fairly young age. No wonder it went completely awry! It’s your typical man centered religion. “We are gods! Worship mighty mankind! LO!!!!”

Okay, that’s as far as I defend him. Ignorance is no excuse.

What should he have done instead? Well, how about going from church to church and asking the different pastors what was the difference in their denominations? Or possibly reading some books on it. He should have gotten some guidance. He should have prayed, and asked the Lord what the Lord wanted. He should have read his bible, and determined for himself what God’s word said, instead of looking for what he could use to justify his new religion. He did it completely backwards.

He should have gotten saved, gotten involved with a Bible believing church, and gone to a seminary. Joseph Smith actually could have been a famous pastor or evangelist, and gone on to great rewards if he’d been a Christian.

Instead, he’s gone on to great torment and punishment, which will be great indeed as he’s led millions astray.

Joseph also found ways to involve all his pursuits and interests into his new religion, including weaving Freemasonry into his religion, taking secret ceremonies and rituals and weaving them unchanged into Mormonism. The secret Temple Ceremonies, for example, are word for word and riutual for ritual identical to Freemasonry, with some minor changes to make them fit in.

He invented in a religion. When you turn to a false god, the real God simply says, “fine. Let them save you.” Since those gods do not exist, they cannot save you.

Smith should not be suprised when he awoke in torments after death. He’d abandoned the God of the Bible, and must have known where he’d end up. I pray that Christians do not have to witness the Great White Throne judgment, as it will be horrific to see these people attempt to justify why they did what they did. However, I’m afraid we probably do have to witness it. We don’t have to suffer through it, as billions of lost souls do.

Did Smith believe what he was preaching? I don’t know. I can’t answer that. I merely find myself close to weeping when I think about what could have been for him, versus what he chose for himself and millions.