Reflections on a Hundred Debates


Let me state, I’m sure that’s hyperbole. I have no idea how many online debate attempts were started on my blog. I don’t know how many attempts at debates were started, it’s just a good way to express the frustration with the “comment policy” that nobody reads. Today’s a little long…

The new people I talked to yesterday should read this one with some interest, because I’m going to discuss what I’ve learned with exchanges.

First, write out your blogs ahead of time. I’m running about 11 days out at this point. I write them in Thingamablog, and then later on I can copy and paste them to the internet. This summer I was just writing them online to save time, but now when I want to go back and look for something, it’s harder. So, to be prepared for online nonsense… write them out in advance, so you can answer people without it slowing down what you’re writing. I wish I’d been doing this, because the Mormons and Roman Catholics were so good at tying up my time that I wasn’t able to get blog articles up every day.

Comment Sweat

The whole first year, when you see that orange circle with the “4” next to comments on your WordPress admin panel, it’s going to make you sick with worry. I’m past that now. It’s not the fear you can’t answer something, it’s mostly just stress. I understand champion shooters like Todd Jarrett and Jerry Miiculek still get a little tense at shooting competitions. Same thing.

Comment Policies

For starters, you can forget putting a rule up online that says, “I don’t do online comment debates. I don’t have the time.” I got that rule from Kent Hovind (I’ve never met him or talked with him personally, but from watching his videos where he mentioned that was his rule).

That rule simply doesn’t work. Activists follow the WordPress blog reader right to your page. They don’t care if you have a comment policy, they have no intention of following it, because in their mind, you opened the door to it, so here they come. Nobody cares, nobody is going to follow it, so don’t worry about getting angry about it – answer and deal.

I think one rule I have (and now I express it right from the beginning) is that I have a limit of two responses. Why?

10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Titus 3:10 (KJV)

I’ve lifted that rule in the past and regretted it both times.

Stick to that rule. You can waive it in the case of Atheists (I chose to) because unless they are apostate, they aren’t heretics, they’re just fools. Your choice.

They Won’t Follow the Rules

I found very quickly that any insistence of, “you’ve got to read all the articles in the series, because the chances are good I’ve already answered this…” goes nowhere. They’re not going to read them. They’re not interested in the truth, just in proving you wrong. And yes… almost every question or objection someone’s raised, I had just answered a day or two before – and about 50% of the time it was answered in the very article they were commenting on, they just didn’t like the answer!

Helpers

One thing that helps is a helper – in the right way. When you are emotionally drained – because a blog like this is a ministry, and you put a lot of love and effort into what you’re trying to do (I don’t love my blog – but rather it is a labor of love, the same way a real Pastor writes a sermon) – NOTHING is better, absolutely nothing… than someone jumping in to help.

In the right way.

What doesn’t help me is to be in a conversation with an Atheist and have someone jump in and yell, “YER GONNA BURN IN HELL FOREVER, YOU SPAGHETTIO-EATING, ILL DRESSED, BAD BREATH MORON!!!!”

That’s not really going to reach anyone. Atomic Mutant, who has a great sense of humor, would probably have loved that if done in the right spirit and timing. I once found myself in a debate not just with a gang of Atheists who I was actually scoring very well against… and a Christian who came on heretic guns blazing. I got wore out just from trying not to hurt any feelings and say… “you’re not helping right now.”

I’m trying to save these people. If you can see someone is being ganged up on by multiple assailants, jump in there and start answering their points. A fact is, most people can only answer one or two points at a time, and so if you write giant book sized comments, 99% of it is wasted. Help them out, and start answering things.

When done in the right way, it;s always appreciated.

Flamers

I have a usual rule – I take profanity out of comments. If someone writes something that I think will make them look bad, I don’t let it go through. I had an exchange with a Catholic once where I scored a major blow on something, and he hit back in rage, with some offense in his next comment. I deleted it.

It would have made him look bad. Should I have let it go through? If I was trying to be mean, sure. But I stopped it. He apologized in the next comment, and I explained I didn’t let it go through.

If someone is just coming on and trying to slam… you have the choice whether you want it to go through or not.

Tactics

You have to be ready. I’d never dealt with Mormons before and had no idea what tactics they were going to try, and I quickly found out. I let that exchange go past my usual rule, and discovered that they’ve learned well from the usual JW method of question, question, question but don’t answer. I quickly found the bunion on the toe of their argument and grabbed it and squeezed.

At the time, I thought the series on Mormons was not one of my best – but my comment exchanges were the best. I was careful to utilize rule number one – concede nothing. You have no idea what concession you’re about to make in haste just to get to the point of their argument, may indeed BE their argument. Or in the case of the Mormon missionary (who at first would not tell me she was a Mormon – VERY poor integrity), the concession was that Mormons were Christians.. and that was a concession I was not going to make, because they’re not. I might as well concede a Buffalo is a goldfish. It’s not. With Roman Catholics, to call them “catholics” in your articles is itself a concession. It sounds like a lot of typing, but make sure that each time you are calling them specifically Roman Catholics. They will try to use the word Catholic in response. If you reply with the same word, you’ve conceded it. Don’t. I do not believe in the concept of a Universal Church, because I don’t see the Bible using that terminology. So where do we get this concept? Why, from the Roman Catholics, of course!

If someone is trying their best to get their proof text accepted… assume that IS their argument. Like Roman Catholics, no matter what text you use, they’re going to try to sneak in Matthew 16 immediately. Why? Because in their minds if they can get you to accept that there’s possibly a chance that Matthew 16 is talking about the Vatican, why then… your whole argument (in their veiled minds) will fall apart like a house of cards.

A way to stop proof texts, is simply say, “Uh… we’re talking about Psalm 12:6-7. Why did you suddenly jump to Matthew 16? We’re not done with the topic at hand – please answer the question.” Or whatever verse you’re trying to talk about.

I had no idea that Revelation 2:17 was going to be a favorite for some Mormon apologists. One thing I actually did do (and the attacks promptly got weak after that) was to hit in the Doubt button. “You guys really believe that? With no shred of proof??? Really? The white stone of Revelation is not talking about a seer stone!!! It’s a historically demonstrated symbol of guilt or innocence!” I hit them in the doubt button, and that’s the hard thing for anyone in cults. Every cult member doubts the cult, but is afraid to be proven wrong. Hit them in the doubt, and you’re one step closer to liberating them.

I wasn’t able to liberate the Mormon, but I hit her (I think she is a her) in weak areas that I pray ultimately will shake her loose. The Mormon missionary usually is about as well acquainted with Jews as most Gentiles (I could not get her to concede that Mormons call Jews “Gentiles”). To hear that Jews will NOT write Scripture in any other language than Hebrew was devastating. Once I found that, I kept applying pressure on her until she gave up for her own sake.

One Roman Catholic tactic you may experience is the “talking with my friends” apologist. They sit and talk amongst themselves, dropping the coded talk, and come up with what they think is a devastating argument to use. One of them tried it on me. “Can you tell me where in Scripture you have the right to interpret Scripture for yourself?”

I had two choices. I could present EVERY verse where the Lord asked someone “Have ye not read…” or I could respond with 1 John.

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 1 John 2:20 (KJV)

I hit him with 1 John, and the response was amazing. He changed the subject. It sounds like a weak response, but remember what the word “Unction” means to a Catholic. “Unction” is a dispensing of grace, usually connected to the Last Rights, in which one is possibly too ill to make a knowing confession. The actual word means “Anointing”. John is telling us we have the Holy Spirit, who helps us to understand Scripture for ourselves. If you’re going to respond with the list of verses, make sure 1 John 2:20 is on the top of it.

The rule with Atheists is this – they can use logic arguments, but you’re a Christian – you’re not allowed. I learned a lot from my exchanges with them, and in some fatigue made some errors. I should have answered the comments the next day, relaxed and ready. But my Atheists series was done early on, and we’d just got done viewing the Hovind videos in Seminary. I was still studying for the tests, and it would help to do the articles. Alas, I ended up getting myself stressed out on the tests, and lost some points making stupid mistakes, because I was still concentrating more on what Atomic Mutant and a couple of the others said. Don’t answer comments while you have a test in 48 hours or less.

I used the mathematical formula of “Anything to the zero power equals one.” One Atheist immediately came on and made fun of it. I responded with their kind of terminology, and it was a mistake. I should have answered – “Uh, you have a scientific calculator, right? Put in any number at all to the zero power. What answer are YOU getting????” When they make a bone headed mistake, and are being mean about it… grab that toe with the corn on it, and squeeze. They’ll stop being mean.

Atheists love to answer with logical arguments. If you’re going to take on Athiests, first, spend a month studying Thouless. He’s the master of bad arguments, and wrote a mind-blowing, often copied analysis of bad arguments. He did so well on it, that it crushed his own reasoning on one issue. A long time ago, when I first found it, I was analyzing a book by Brian McLaren. I was dumbfounded that McLaren seemed to have the same book, but was using it instead on a “How to lie to Christians” primer instead of a tool to analyze poor arguments.

The oft-repeated “flying spaghetti monster” analogy, by the way, is an argument by bad or forced analogy.

Another thing that will drive you nuts is the attempt to re-define words. Atheists love to say, “an atheist is not someone who does not believe in God, we just don’t know.” In that case, you’re using the wrong word – it’s Agnostic. “Well, I prefer Atheist.” Then you’re a dummy. I already told you that you’re using the wrong word, and you’re insisting on getting it wrong.

Roman Catholics also like to redefine EVERY Christian word. You’ll go nuts trying to understand what they’re talking about. They’ll claim to have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ – they mean they’ve gone to Mass. They’ll claim to be born again – they mean being sprinkled as a baby. They’ll try to tell you that the Roman Catholic church does not teach salvation by works – you can dig into the council of Trent, Vatican II, the current Catechism, and lo and behold, they’ll say, “…but that’s not what we believe.” HUH????? Make sure you’ve studied up on what you’re talking about. That way you can ask them the loaded question, Either you disagree with what the RCC is teaching, or you’re lying… which is it???”

Messianics. Here’s the doozy. You are going to be called an anti-Semite when you’re arguing with some Gentile who bought a tallis, a yarmulke, and now thinks he’s Jewish. My answer to that is usually, “*cough* I’m Jewish.” I actually had a Roman Catholic who (I suspect) was using the Replacement Theology mindset to tell me HE was Jewish, and I was somehow offending HIM!!! I answered him in Yiddish, and he changed the subject. Oy, viz mir.

(If you’re not Jewish, don’t try that tactic. Make it clear you’re a Gentile, and the whole “I’m Jewish now” thing is weird.)

Do NOT take on Messianics without knowing Hebrew and Greek. Don’t rely on the same Strong’s Greek the Messy’s rely on – get the instruction. They opened the door to it by claiming we’re deliberately mistranslating the Bible. If you’re going to get messy with the messy’s, you’d better know Hebrew at least, and some Greek. Set ground rules – they can only bring in the Greek if they’ve learned it. Ask them in what classroom setting they had their Greek. I had one say “in Seminary”, but never would tell me which one. I was nice and shouldn’t have been, and let it slide. He was lying. He never learned Greek, or he’d have never been making the elementary mistakes he was making.

JW’s. to debate the Jehovah’s Witnesses, learn to be STUBBORN. Park on a spot, and don’t give up. What’s a good spot? Oh, Hell… that’s the spot. That’s what they’re afraid of. What are they feeling laying in bed at night before they go to sleep? Fear. Fear of hell.

Don’t let JW’s lead the argument. They’ll try to lead you on their merry way, leading you from one Scripture to another. They’ve practiced it. They want to get you to a point where you cannot answer a question. Two audio lectures here are priceless. The “how to answer a cultist” teaching from Charlie Campbell is priceless – it’s better than the “Jehovah’s Witness” lecture, and on the same topic. I’d spend some time listening to a lot of Charlie Campbell before you start your blog, anyway. Remain on a subject, and don’t give up. JW’s are not used to being questioned where their faith is the weakest. Start asking them about the Governing Body, and why “The Finished Mystery” is not present in every Kingdom Hall?

Taking on the cults is frustrating, and very tiring – but rewarding. I STILL get people coming to my Jehovah’s Witnesses pages. nobody has told me that they came out of the JW’s from reading my blog, but all this work may have brought someone ONE STEP CLOSER to leaving. It will be worth it to have someone in Heaven say to me, “your writings helped me to realize something was wrong with what I was being taught. I began to question it, and finally left.”

It will all have been worth it, to hear ONE PERSON say that. And even if not… this work has been a labor of love for the Lord, who Saved me.

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Correct Doctrine 15


4.11 Jesus Christ offered up his shed blood and His substitutionary death for us as a redeeming sacrifice, reconciling us to God once and for all in a permanent Salvation which cannot be lost. His blood purifies us and renders us blameless, cleansing us of all sins (John 3:14-15, 5:24, 10:27-30, Romans 8:38-39, 1 Thess 1:10, 5:9-10, 1 Tim. 2:6, Titus 2:14, Heb. 1:3, 2:9-10, 7:27, 9:12-14, 10:12, 14).

Today is a simple, but profoundly important doctrine to understand. It is the blood of Jesus. We even sing songs about it.

26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Ezekiel 18:26 (KJV)

One sin is all it takes to send us to Hell forever. It requires blood to save us.

6 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: 7 And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein. Leviticus 6:6-7 (KJV)

21 And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD to accomplish his vow, or a freewill offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein. Leviticus 22:21 (KJV)

The Jewish counteri-missionary (usually trained by Jews for Judaism) will here interject: “there is nothing in the Torah about the offering of a man as a sin offering!”

You’re right. Absolutely right.

7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. Genesis 22:7-8 (KJV)

We cannot offer a man as a sin offering. Men are not perfect. We are blemished, and invalid according to Lev. 6:6. However, the Lord Jesus Christ is GOD, as we settled in the last few posts. God provided Himself.

We cannot save ourselves. Our sins separate us from God forever. We are sinful, blemished. There is no provision for us. We are doomed.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (KJV)

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28 (KJV)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:3-6 (KJV)

As you see, the blood of Jesus atones for our sins. His death created a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins. And when He ressurected, He brought us up with Him.

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Romans 3:25 (KJV)

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Colossians 1:14 (KJV)

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Hebrews 10:4 (KJV)

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5 (KJV)

Propitiation means “Satisfaction of a debt.” The levitical offerings were effective only in that they were a picture, a “type”, looking forward to the sacrifice of Christ. They served to remove only that sin. The entire system of keeping the Law was to make one keenly aware how ugly we are in the eyes of God, how sin-laden. After only living it a year, the honest person, understanding the Gospel, would be keenly aware of the crushing burden of the Law.

But Christ took all that away. We do not any longer need to keep the law. The law could not save us. Only the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ can do that, by His shed blood.

An interesting study is to take modern Bibles and see how many references to the Blood are in the New Testament. Then check that number against the King James. You’ll see that the modern Bibles remove many references to the Blood. As I’ve pointed out before, one has to stop and say, “You know, I can’t accept it’s a coincidence any longer.” The verses that are altered, removed, or added to always affect some cardinal doctrine. Usually the deity of Christ, the effecaciousness of the blood, salvation by grace alone, fasting… in short, they always affect doctrines that Baptists have lived and died for for 20 centuries. And the enemy finally figured out he can neutralize those Baptists just by changing their Bibles. Wake up, people! Who is on the Lord’s side?

Here are today’s verses. You might want to read your New King James or NASB and see how the modern versions subtly change these verses. Some will be drastically changed, some will not seem to be affected at first. But change them… they do.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:14-15 (KJV)

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 (KJV)

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one. John 10:27-30 (KJV)

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39 (KJV)

10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 (KJV)

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 (KJV)

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 1 Timothy 2:6 (KJV)

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Titus 2:14 (KJV)

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Hebrews 1:3 (KJV)

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Hebrews 2:9-10 (KJV)

27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. Hebrews 7:27 (KJV)

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Hebrews 9:12-14 (KJV)

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 10:12 (KJV)

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Hebrews 10:14 (KJV)

Correct Doctrine 4


1.6. The Holy Bible is to be read and interpreted literally, and that the Holy Ghost gives understanding of the Scriptures to all Saved persons, without needing any person, pope or church to interpret it for them (Psa. 119:104, Psa. 25:4-5,8,9, Psa. 26:11, Jer. 31:34, Deut. 6:6-7, John 14:26, 1 John 2:27).

1.7. The Holy Bible consists of the 66 books of the Old and New Testament. There are no other books or Oral tradition to be considered Holy Writ. Neither is the Apocrypha or any of the Pseudographa to be considered Holy Scripture. The Holy Bible is complete, without missing books or gospels (Jude 1:3, Rev. 22:18-19).

1.8. The Bible is the complete and final revelation of the will of God to man (Heb. 1:1-2)

1.9. Thus, the Holy Bible is the sole authority of faith and practice in our church and in our lives (Rom. 15:4).

 


Moving along in our study of the Bible, I strongly recommend everyone get their Bible to check EVERYTHING I say against the Bible. I know my Statement of Faith is HUGE. But alas, in this day of apostasy, I’m forced into having extremely detailed statements. And periodically, I need to read through it with a critical eye, and determine if I’ve stated it correctly – and if it can be misused in the same wording by a heretic.For instance, the Dake Study Bible is filled with heresy, and full of spiritualizations of the text, from what I remember. Even in my days as a young “Christian” (when I thought I was saved, and attending a Word Faith church), I got the Dake Bible from the library, and began reading it. And quickly put it aside.

Dake’s first rule is to interpret the bible literally – and yet, he has a great many applications and readings in his Study Bible that are obvious violations of his own rule!

It’s like this – read the Bible. When the Bible says that the Earth was created in six literal days, believe it. What’s the spiritual application to it? The Earth was created in six literal days. Why is that important? Well, let’s put it this way – it sets a mindset that is very important. Dake falls to the Gap Theory between Genesis 1:2 and 1:3, and writes details about an imaginary Pre-Adamic race that is still referred to and taught by many Word Faith teachrers like Fred K. C. Price and Kenneth Copeland. That’s not in there. Please show me the verses that discuss the Pre-Adamic race? There aren’t any.

Okay, what about the Holy Spirit? Notice that’s the next part. The Holy Spirit gives understanding of the Scriptures to all Saved persons. The only true understanding the Holy Spririt will give an unsaved person is the knowledge they need to be saved!

Christians are nurtured and strengthened by the Bible, and the Holy Ghost making the Bible understandable.

Psalm 119:104 (KJV)

104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Psalm 25:4-5 (KJV)

4 Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.

5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.

Psalm 25:8-9 (KJV)

8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.

I strongly advise all reading these words to endeavor to make these teachings listed below a part of their life. Reading your Bible, indeed, Studying your Bible is crucial. It keeps you from being misled. It keeps you growing as a Christian. It keeps you from Sin.

It is interesting to me that the Hebrew for Keep, “Shomer”, also means “Guard”. A Sabbath Keeping Jew is called “Shomer Shabbos“. He keeps and guards the Sabbath.

Thte word of God, sharper than any two edged sword, keeps and protects those that protect and keep it. On that, you can rest assured.

Psalm 26:11 (KJV)

11 But as for me, I will walk in mine integrity: redeem me, and be merciful unto me.

Jeremiah 31:34 (KJV)

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Deuteronomy 6:6-7 (KJV)

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

John 14:26 (KJV)

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 (KJV)

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Part 1.7 had to be added. There’s so much specualtion by unSaved people who think they are Christians over whether we have the entire Bible or not. “And are the books of the Bible we have really books of the Bible?”

In a word, we have the entire Bible, 66 books. And yes, all 66 books are the entire Canon, which was once delivered to the saints. The Canon is finished.

Have I read the apocrypha. Yes. Note it doesn’t FEEL like the Bible. The Bible feels HOLY, Powerful. The Apocrypha feels… weird.

Have I read the Pseudographa? Yes I have. Much of it. In my younger days, I wanted so badly to believe the Book of Enoch was canonical, and just forgotten by the early Church. In later days, I was convinced that “They” had deliberately removed it.

I was wrong. Now I read it and shake my head. Thank the Lord for the helpful watchdogs who evaluate such writings and identify unScriptural elements in them. And thank God for men like Wil Kinney who spend so much of their time reading, studying and defending the Word of God against others, including many misguided but well meaning Christians.

There’s no other “Lost books of the Bible” to be found. Once a year, the History Channel or the Discovery Channel or Times Magazine usually runs an article, claiming to have found the “Historical Jesus”, or questioning the Canonicity of the Bible – usually just before Easter. It’s a subtle attack on all Christianity and the Bible.

My attitude is, you attack the Bible, you attack me.

The simple truth is, in Psalm 12:6-7 we read that God has promised to protect and preserve the Word of God. That settles any other “Not in use lost books or Gospels.” I expect them to find the “Gospel of Hymenaeus” any day now, in some musty bookstore in Cairo. And they should announce it in March. I guarantee the headlines will read, “Lost gospel found!”

Except they won’t notice that Hymenaeus was rejected by Paul as a false teacher.

20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 1 Timothy 1:20 (KJV)

There are no other “lost books of the Bible” to be found. Else God would contradict Psalms 12:6-7.

The last two points are simple. There will be no more additional Revelations of God. He promised that. He settled it in His word Forever. Any false prophet that gets up and gives any additional Revelation not found in the Bible is accursed, according to Galatians 1:8-9.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9 (KJV)

We stand upon the Baptist motto (notice I didn’t say “Creed” or “Confession”) – “The Holy Bible is the sole authority of faith and practice in our church and in our lives.” If you take this attitude, you will not go wrong in your life.

Romans 15:4 (KJV)

4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The Rapidly Approaching End Times


…and other assorted musings.

Recently, I’ve talked about what Fundamentalism is.

I’ve explained that there is a difference between Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism.

I’ve explained that New Evangelicalism is by a complete coincidence exactly the same agenda as is required to put the Antichrist into power. I’ve explained that this is what is needed to make Christians take the mark of the beast and worship the Antichrist.

I’ve shown there are quite a few famous Christian pastors teaching against Fundamentalism.

To briefly sum up again (so that you can keep this in your mind), Fundamentalism is a belief in the Bible as literal and accurate, God’s inspired word – and a recognition that error and heresy will arise and be taught – and that the Fundamentalist will separate from doctrinal error and those who espouse it.

I want to remind everyone first, before we get too much into this, that the wird “Inspired” when referring to the Bible means God dictated every word of the Bible to the men who wrote it down.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4 (KJV)

If it is shown to man, and man has to choose the words, then the Lord would not have said “every word” but “every thought.” Yet the Lord said “Every word.”

There’s also the doctrine of what’s called Bible preservation – that the Lord would make sure His words were inspired, and that He would safeguard those words until the end of the age.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matthew 24:35 (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19 (KJV)

I’ll be talking more about Inspiration and preservation more in a few days. Let me explain there are a LOT of Bible teachers who are literally lying when they say in their statement of faith that they believe in Inspiration of the Bible. A LOT.

I’d go so far as to say the majority. And I’ll boldly say you cannot believe in the inspiration of the Bible and believe in modern textual criticism.

And I’ll talk about that soon. Again.

The churches of Jesus Christ, according to the oft-neglected 7 churches of Revelation, must eventually reach a point when Jesus Christ is cast out of the churches.

I read so often how everyone talks about the “Rapture of the Church”. I think I’ve made it clear I do not consider the concept of “Church” to be a universal concept, but rather, a local, visible entity. I just am picky about the use of the word church, because Scripture always uses it in the sense of a local, visible body. The word we should have been using is Kingdom.

Does it matter?

Yes, as I’ve explained before. You’ve been conditioned to think of the church as universal. Universal in Latin is “Catholic”.

That should set up alarms in you. A whole agenda should suddenly be visible to you.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:20 (KJV)

Why would the Lord be knocking at the door? I know, you’re used to thinking of this verse in evangelistic terms. That may also be deliberate. Because the answer is shocking.

The verse is taken from the letter to the church at Laodecia. This is the last age, before the Rapture, when the body of Christ is raptured from the face of the earth.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Revelation 3:14-22 (KJV)

The answer is, the Lord has been cast out of the churches, and the doors locked.

The churches will apostate to the point where the Lord simply is not welcome there. We’re all about our programs, our little Awana and 12 steps and our Vacation Bible School program, our Alpha program, our Purpose Driven program, our Daniel fasts, our Lottie Moon offerings, and we’re COMPLETELY neglecting the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

We’ve cast the Lord Jesus Christ out of our church, and replaced Him, the Lord of Hosts, the I AM, the Creator of the Universe, The Righteous Judge, with a cigar smoking hippie Jesus of peace and love, who is so meek and mild he cannot possibly judge the nations, or rule them with a rod of iron. Why, I’m so sure that the Lord will just laugh and gently scold all those who wasted their potential lives by neglecting the blessings of getting to know Him – and now that He’s back, why, I’m sure they’ll be just welcome in His kingdom!

Have we forgotten that the Lord Jesus Christ gets angry? The Bible says that.

Have we forgotten that the Lord Jesus Christ will execute judgment on all who rejected Him? He literally will pull them from Hell for a final judgment, at the Great White Throne. And He will judge them according to their works.

What if they did many, many good works? Will he take them from Hell and let them into Heaven?

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:22-23 (KJV)

The only people that make it into heaven are those that are born again. That should be on t-shirts and coffee mugs, by the way. The only people that make it into heaven are those that are born again.

Harsh words, indeed. Many of my readers who have ancestors that have attended churches can say it easier than I can, who have entire generations of ancestors who rejected Him, their rightful messiah.

We are not saved by our might or merit. We are saved by grace. Bottom line statement is that if you have not accepted the free gift of salvation you will go to Hell, forever.

The answer to the question above is – if you did many great works, the answer is that your punishment will not be as great as those who did many evil works. I still would not want to be the best person in Hell. We are spared much of the direct knowledge of how truly horrible Hell is. There are billions who are aware of it. However, I can say that it will get WORSE for many, after the judgment.

If you find yourself unable to believe in a Jesus Christ who would condemn people to Hell, I’m going to tell you plainly yoo have never read your Bible. You may have opened it and let your eyes pass over the pages, but you’ve never read it.

You should have started your “read through the Bible in a year” program some 26 days ago. Many of you have neglected it already. This year, you need to be paying attention to who God is. Who Jesus Christ is. I’m going to tell you there’s no difference. The God of the old testament is the same God as the new. It’s not like there was a changing of the guard.

Getting back to my point (I’m so easily distracted), the churches in the last days have rejected the Jesus of the bible. And they’re preaching a message “We should all put aside our differences and get along.” “doctrine divides!” and of course, the famous “in all things, tolerance”.

Why?

Are these things in the Bible?

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9-11 (KJV)

Should we accept just anyone who calls themselves a Christian? The Bible says don’t even let them come in your home.

Encouraging someone in their faith who is not born again is partaking in their evil deeds.

9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. Hebrews 13:9 (KJV)

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 1 Timothy 6:3-5 (KJV)

We are not to encourage incorrect doctrine, we are to rebuke it and separate from those who teach differently.

I hope I’ve made that abundantly clear this year. And I hope I’ve got you questioning the prevailing mindset among Christians of blind acceptance of “doctrinal differences.”

There’s a somewhat different view of doctrinal differences – the Bible says you either have it right or wrong.

“well, our denomination teaches differently…”

bully for you. The Bible says you have it wrong.

“we believe in…”

I don’t care. The Bible teaches what is proper doctrine. If your denomination teaches otherwise, you are going to have to choose.

Correct Doctrine 3


1.3. The entire Bible, and all of its words are inspired, infallible and inerrant, not suffering loss in transmission, supernaturally preserved from the time of the Apostles to today through the Masoretic Text Old Testament and the Textus Receptus Greek New Testament (Psalm 12:6-7, 2 Tim. 3:16).

1.4. The King James Bible, as the only Bible translated from these texts (The Masoretic (Ben Chayim בן חיים) Text in Hebrew and Textus Receptus/Stephanus 4th Edition in Greek), is the pure, preserved Word of God for English Speaking people, without any error, without any need for correction or re-translation.

1.5. Any translation based in whole or in part upon any other texts (Such as Wescott/Hort, Vaticanus & Sinaiticus, Alexandrinus, Nestle/Alland and so forth) are to be rejected (including the NIV, NRSV, NKJV, RSV, TNLB, the ESV and The Message, among others).

6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Psalm 12:6-7 (KJV)

These verses, memorized by many Baptists, is one of the great promises of the Lord to keep, safeguard, and preserve the Bible.

It also directly refutes the theory (invented by two unregenerate Modernist Anglicans, who denied the Divinity of Christ, the inspiration of the Bible, and denied many cardinal doctrines of Christianity), that the Word of God was corrupted and lost from AD 400 or so and not recovered until partway through the 19th century – when it was found accidentally in a trash heap in a monastery (which also had rooms full of the bones of dead monks) on the Sinai Peninsula.

So, the theory of these two lost men is that only the enemies of the word of God possessed and safeguarded the words of God, while the Christians dedicated to the study, teachings and reverence of the Bible – corrupted it???

The theory makes no sense logically or Scripturally. The Lord has promised to preserve His words.

17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Luke 16:17 (KJV)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18 (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)

How were we supposed to obey the Lord and study to shew ourselves approved – if He did not keep His words in the hands of the Christians who revere His Bible?

The Wescott-Hort texts are blasphemous, and deliberately distort and remove evidence for doctrines key to the Christian faith. I’m sure that Wescott and Hort regret it now. We won’t be seeing them at the Believer’s Judgment – but we’ll see them at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Codex Sinaiticus is full of errors and editing, by the admissions of their very discoverer. And we can only take the Vatican’s word for it that the text they provided for the use of Wescott and Hort is a true and valid copy. Which again brings up the question, why are we taking the word of unSaved Men on which manuscripts are the Bible or not??? is not the very fact they belonged to an unholy organization, a false religious system, and known for their very opposition to the word of God, make their manuscripts suspect? Let’s not forget that BOTH Vaticanus and Sinaiticus come from Catholic origins – Vaticanus from the Vatican, and Sinaiticus from the Greek Orthodox Church.

The very doctrine of preservation argues for a manuscript being in the hands of believing Christians. Much as the Calvinists hate to admit it, the only manuscript that had been in Christian hands (including the hands of the very reformers they revere) was the Syrian texts, the Textus Receptus. And today, only the King James Bible is translated from the Textus Receptus.

Why the Bible should be read literally


Yesterday I was listening to a sermon from SermonAudio defending the king James Bible. It was being preached by a man who was an Independent Baptist.

Something to be aware of, is that Independent Baptist is not a denomination. It’s more like a way of saying, “Unaffiliated Baptist”.

Yes, quite a few Independent Baptist churches are Fundamentalist. Quite a few are “quiver-full” if you know that phrase. As long time readers will note, I consider myself an Independent Baptist even though I am currently at a Southern Baptist church.

Sadly, one characteristic that you also find at some Independent Baptist churches usually is that it means “I never went to seminary.” There are some truly gifted Independent Baptist churches whose pastors were never trained nor ordained. My old church was indeed one, and you’d never know it! The pastor had an amazing grasp of preaching and the Bible.

What was startling about the sermon I listened to, was that the Pastor announced he was going to preach about the King James Bible – then began preaching expositorally from Acts 27. It took a little while (one thing you can count on from an Independent Baptist church that is fundamentalist, is long sermons. They don’t hang a clock on the wall, they hang a calendar). And finally it dawned on me – he’s preaching allegorically.

Allegorical interpretation of the Bible is a strong no-no. While I can honestly say that we had one class in Seminary completely dedicated to allegorical thought, it was touched on many times, and repeatedly. Think of it this way.

Allegorical thought is the complete opposite of literal interpretation.

9 Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past, Paul admonished them, 10 And said unto them, Sirs, I perceive that this voyage will be with hurt and much damage, not only of the lading and ship, but also of our lives. 11 Nevertheless the centurion believed the master and the owner of the ship, more than those things which were spoken by Paul. Acts 27:9-11 (KJV)

What is this passage referring to? Is it referring to the King James Bible?

Nope. It’s referring to the fact that on Paul’s ship, during the hurricane, Paul told them, “if they leave the ship, they’re going to die.”

I’m all for King James defense. But if you want to write an sermon on defending the King James, hey, great! Let’s use literal interpretation of the Bible.

“well, we were preaching our way through Acts, and…”

well, do a MacArthur, and deviate from your topic for a week. See, that’s what Sunday Nights are for! Or if you feel the need to preach this on a Sunday morning, then by all means, let everyone know “Today, we’re talking about something special…”

I personally have found that a congregation does very well with being told what’s going on. It makes life easier on everyone.

There are a lot of other passages you could have drawn on… Jeremiah reading from the Scroll and the king cutting off leaves and throwing them in the fire… Psalm 12… Psalm 119… the re-discovering of the scrolls of the Bible and King Josiah, hey, lots of passages!

The problem with allegorical interpretation is, that’s a Pandora’s box. If you say, “We accept Genesis 1:1-5 as literal, but we don’t accept verse 6…” it may start that way now… but believe you me, it’s going to be an issue ten years from now. Because it’s going to spread. Once you open that door, and bring in fanciful interpretations, I can spiritualize and allegorize away any verse in the New Testament.

Because if you accept all 52,280 verses as Scriptural except one… then you accept none of them. If you say, “We don’t accept Genesis 1:6 literally” then someone can argue John 3:3 is not to be taken literally. And you can’t argue against it.

Either every word in the Bible is true, or every word is parables, to be interpreted in whatever happy way you like.

How do I know it’s literal?

Because all the prophecies in the Bible were fulfilled literally. If they were fulfilled literally, then they were meant to be read literally.

There are a few parables in the Bible. We know certain hallmarks of what is a parable and what is not. Names are not mentioned in parables. By the way, Luke 16 is not a parable. It’s real. It really happened.

There are visions in the Bible. Literally, seven visions are in Revelation, and each one has meaning. There’s three distinct visions in Daniel. In almost every case, an Angel is standing by to give the explanation of the vision. Or the vision is one of those told to be sealed up until the time of the end.

Why? They help to serve as a barometer of how close we are to the Rapture. If you read the old commentaries, they had literally no understanding of what these passages mean, and offer a combination of allegorical thought and what amounts to a shrug. The earliest Christian communities understood a pre-trib rapture, taught it… but Rome allegorized it along with everything else, and so much of Christianity lost the understanding of the end times. When you read the writings of some Waldensians, Albigenses, the early Mennonites, they all believed in a pre-trib rapture. Why? Because it’s pretty clearly stated in the Bible.

But the vision passages were just completely incomprehensible. Why? they were sealed until the time of the end. As the age of grace began drawing into the Laodecean age, people began to understand, a little at a time, what the vision passages mean. I’ve seen more understanding come around since the 1990’s, literally. We’re now comfortable we understand the open doors in Revelation (two of them – hint – it’s proof of a pre-trib rapture), we understand more about Gog and Magog and its timing, we understand more about Petra…

We even now see how the initial attack against Israel is supposed to be between Arab states and Russian, and very possibly Germany (that one goes back and forth all the time). Three years ago, I had thought it meant we still had 20 years, because Russia would have to be rebuilt. Amazingly, it happened right in front of my eyes. We’re a lot closer than 20 years. The Rapture will probably be in my lifetime. I’m not going to say how close it is (because nobody on this planet has any idea) but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was today. I used to pray that I got a full time pulpit before the Rapture. I’m starting to believe strongly the answer to that prayer has been “no”.

So, there you go – I dealt with the allegorist’s favorite objections. You have sealed visions that are understood in the end times (hint – Song of Solomon falls partly in that category), you have a very few parable passages (in every case identified as one) and explained (almost all of the parables have their own explanation given).

There’s no scriptural basis for allegorizing. If the Bible says it, it means it.

Enough


OK. I support other ministries in their fellow attempts to liberate those in cults.

I’ve been putting up with a series on “Weak arguments” that an Ecumenical Christian was bringing up on a blog dedicated to combating a cult.

I’ve put up with and ignored one valid, scriptural doctrine after another being touted as “weak arguments”. The demand is – we stop using those arguments.

One tactic  he demanded we stop using is all the verses that prove the canon is sealed.

uh… I don’t get that. These are verses that someone has decided aren’t strong enough to be used as proof of what they are.

Oddly, enough, commentators like B. H. Carroll, Matthew Henry and Adam Clarke all agree they mean just that – the Biblical canon is sealed.

Very important, because this particular cult insists on three extra-Biblical books their founder supposedly translated from golden plates that were supposedly large and heavy, yet simultaneously small enough to fit inside a hat.

How do you combat that? The first thing you do is pull out the verses that David Cloud, Matthew Henry, Adam Clarke, B. H. Carroll, Ray Comfort, Philip Dean, Norman Geisler, Charlie Campbell, Kent Hovind, Josh McDowell, Admin the King James Guy, the Vine Vigil and about a thousand other Christian pastors, evangelists, teachers, and Apologists all agree that they mean – the Canon is sealed.

Really? If it’s that tremendously obvious to SO MANY teachers and commentators to offer up Jude 5, Hebrews 1, and the last chapters of Revelation as proof of the sealing of the Christian canon – to include a divine curse to anyone who adds to the Bible – then it should be obvious to all.

Whose side are you on, anyway?

Today was the last straw.

He attacked King James Only-ism as “weak argument #5.”

Brother, now you’re attacking the Bible.

For starters, you haven’t researched the issue. I could tell that quickly by reading your article. You also lumped Ruckmanism and Riplingerism doctrines with any supporter of the King James, as if “second inspiration” is a doctrine we all hold to. I have repeatedly written against these doctrines. I do not hold to “second inspiration.”

You also went off on rabbit trails about translating Spanish to English. There’s a LOT more to it than that – if you’d read up on the issue  (and I have many, many pages explaining the issues in almost nauseating detail), you’d have known and understood the many, many reasons I have held to this belief.

Especially when you begin to look at WHICH verses the modern translations alter, remove, etc. When you begin to realize it’s always major doctrines affected. If it were honest “variations” as the so-called scholars say, it would be verses that say things like “and they went unto Jericho” that would also be altered.

Yet they’re not. It’s always verses dealing with salvation by grace alone. The Trinity. The deity of Christ. The Blood of Christ. Fasting. Denying ourselves. Separating from heresy. Those kind of verses, that a doctrinally liberal person who does not believe in Christ would set out deliberately to affect. It just seem too much like coincidence that it’s always those important doctrines that are affected.

So, brother, I held back after several of these articles. But today was the last straw. I’m ending my support of your ministry.