Word Faith and Charismatics


Let’s try this again.
I’ve done book reviews of classic Pentecostal books, and angered many.

I wrote on why Speaking in tongues is not Biblical, and got ignored.

I’ve uploaded a much-downloaded Pentecostal timeline, and people still speak in tongues.

Let me try this again.

Much of what passes for Christianity today is not Christianity. That whole thing Benny Hinn does, and Kenneth Copeland, and what Myles Munroe did, and what Creflo Dollar does… none of that is Christian.

In Bible Christianity, God is God. God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. In other words, God is everywhere, all powerful, all knowing. God knows everything and can do everything. That’s what the Bible says.

In Charismatic Christianity. God is powerless, and knows only what He is present to see. This last point there’s varying levels of belief, but Copeland’s god is roughly Kenneth Copeland’s height, lives on a planet, and is locked away from the Earth, unable to do anything until you give Him permission. When you’re done hearing Kenneth Copeland speak, you begin to realize that his god is not god, but in fact Kenneth Copeland is. His god is not the god of the Bible.

Charismatic Christianity’s version of God is not God,  but a man – blasphemy.

In Bible Christianity, God created the Universe Ex Nihilo, meaning “from nothing.” Nothing existed until God created it.

In Charismatic Christianity, their god tapped into a free form floating power substance called Faith, wrapped His words around it, and spoke the Universe into existence. It’s not only bad religion, it’s bad science.

In Bible Christianity, Jesus Christ is God, one third of the Trinity, eternally the Son of God from before the creation of the Universe, and He created everything. Literally, everything that was made, He created.

In Charismatic Christianity, Jesus Christ is a man who was very close to God, created by God. He died like everyone else, and was born again in Hell, the “first born again man”. And so, since you claim to be born again, you too are just like Jesus Christ.
Charismatic Christianity’s version of Jesus Christ is a blasphemy. Not only that, but what the Bible calls a “damnable heresy.” It’s in the category of, “you cannot believe this and be saved.” I’m deadly serious about this. If you believe what Copeland, Dollar, Munroe, Hinn, and Meyer say about this, you are not saved. If you died today, your eternity would be horrific. Your only consolation will be watching the Word faith preachers have to give account before a Thrice Holy God at the Great White Throne judgment. Unless they repent, they will be weeping, apologizing, begging, bargaining, and doing everything in their power to avoid spending eternity with the very people they led astray. And they’ll end up with you in the lake of Fire, forever.

That’s horrific.

In Bible Christianity, you are a man or woman. Your heart is desperately wicked, you are a sinner. In your flesh dwelleth no good thing. Sold into slavery to sin, doomed to eternity in Hell without Jesus Christ. When you are born again, you indeed are born into the family of God, but as a redeemed man or woman, a grateful servant and family member, knowing your lowly estate – yet shown mercy and forgiveness, and unmerited favor by Jesus.

In Charismatic Christianity, you are just as much an incarnation of god as is Jesus Christ – and more, because greater things you will do. You own the permission to allow God to act – in other words, you’re more (l’havdil) god than (l’havdil) God.

Sorry, had to break into Hebrew for that. I could not bring myself to write such an uninterrupted blasphemy – let alone believe that.

So, here’s what’s going to happen. If you REALLY REALLY REALLY believe this with all your heart – God’s going to say, “Okay. Save yourself then.”

And it’s going to be up to you to keep yourself from going to Hell. Better pay your vows and make your faith declarations! And it better be a doozie of a faith seed you pay to Bennie Hinn! I’m talking trillions of trillions of dollars this month alone!

Because there’s no greater miracle that salvation.

There’s no greater gift given to men than the undeserved atonement done by Jesus Christ.

There is no other name by which we are saved.

And if you really, really, really believe firmly what Charismatic Christianity teaches, Jesus Christ will look you in the eyes when you meet Him face to face, and He’s going to say one terrifying phrase to you.

“Away with you. I never knew ye.”

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“Out of your mouths…”


Word Faith has a funny doctrine… What you speak out of your mouth you create.

“You just will be the death of me!” Always gets a hurried, “Don’t say that!!!” from panicky Charismatics, worried that your thoughtless complaint will cause you to rupture and fall to the ground, your body splitting in two or green foam run out of your mouth, or something like that.

Here’s the line of reasoning behind this.

  1. God created the Universe by speaking.
  2. God made Adam
  3. Adam was created in the image of God, right down to being an exact duplicate. He even LOOKED just like God. Same eye color and everything.
  4. This means Adam was a g-d, with amazing power. Whatever God could do, Adam could do.
  5. When Adam sinned, God was (l’havdil) kicked out of this world, and lost the legal right to interfere here.
  6. Jesus Christ was (l’havdil) the first Born Again man, and restored to us the right to be g-ds again.
  7. We are now g-ds again, and have all the powers of God.

Okay, ready to analyze this by the Bible?

I can prove steps one and two from the Bible. That’s about it. The rest is pagan and New Thought occultism. It’s not Christianity at all.

First, God is God. God can do anything. It’s not hard for Him. God is limitless.

Adam had limits. There’s nothing in the Bible about Adam flying like a bird, breathing underwater like a fish, jumping to the moon, or any of the other claims by Word Faith teachers.

Adam created nothing except excuses and denial.

If Adam was a g-d, how was Satan able to tempt him? Does anyone ever think this stuff through?

“If you eat this apple, you’ll be like a g-d.” “Uh… too late, I already am.” “Foiled again!”

No, Satan told Adam that he would be like God in that he would know the difference between good and evil. So Adam would be like God.

This tells me that A). Adam was not a god and B). the first Word Faith preacher was Satan, not E. W, Kenyon.

All right – let’s try a test. Command a planet to come into existence, right next to the Earth. If you’re a g-d, do it! It’s easy for God. He didn’t even have to concentrate, practice some light reps with a bar of fifty pound weights to get warmed up! Go ahead, I’ll wait.

Hm! Didn’t happen?

You’re not a god. We are not gods.

using the rule of first mention, who was the first person to claim that?

Satan.

Get out of Word Faith while you can.

The Word Faith Movement Examined 11


A note – on this page I provide hyperlinks to check the veracity of quotes I will give. These hyperlinks are only for the purposes of verifying my sources. I do not endorse everything on these websites. Use caution.Central to the Word Faith movement is that of positive confessionalism. In other words, the theory claims that you have the creative force to speak something into existence.

The theory is complicated, which should be a clue it is not of God. The roots of it go back to Smith Wigglesworth, Finis J. Dake, Mormonism and Mary Baker Eddy/Christian Science.

Why do I include the last two?

Because essentially, the movement claims at its basis the following unScriptural doctrines – the source of those teachings is in parentheses:

  1. Faith is a substance, like Gravity (E. W. Kenyon)
  2. God spoke Faith, causing the Universe to spring into being. By His positive confession of faith, the Universe created itself. (E. W. Kenyon / Dake)
  3. God reproduced Himself on earth, creating a race of Little Gods. (Mormonism)
  4. When we sinned in the garden, we gave the legal right to the world over to Satan, and God had to – pause – retreat from this world. I added the pause, because there was no way I was going to write out such an uninterrupted blasphemy. (Kenneth Hagin / Mormonism)
  5. Because God supposedly is not in our Universe, He supposedly can do nothing unless we give Him permission to do it. (Hagin/Kenyon)
  6. we lost our legal rights ot be gods in this world, because Satan owns it. Our nature was exchanged for Satan’s nature. (Mormonism)
  7. Jesus, the perfect man, had to die and go to Hell for three days, He became sin itself on the Cross, and had to suffer in Hell for three days. (Kenyon)
  8. In Hell, Jesus became the first born-again Man, and through His newly restored Godhood, left Hell, paying the way for us to enter heaven. (Kenyon/Hagin)
  9. Since God’s will is for us to be healthy and wealthy, the Gospel is the healing is ours when we permit it. And if we speak money into existance, it will happen. (Christian Science / New Thought)
  10. We are the same as Jesus, the first Born Again man – except we will do mightier works. After all, are we not gods? (Mormonism / Christian Science)
  11. And since the Bible says “Ye will do greater things than me…”, the average Word Faith practitioner is BETTER than Jesus! (Hagin / Copeland / Price)

The answer is… no, not by a long shot! And anyone that can espouse this nonsense will not be entering Heaven. Notice they are worshipping a false god, a false Jesus, a false Gospel. I’m going to prove it.

The false god of Word Faith, notice, is not the God of the Bible.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:1-5 (KJV)

Notice the God of the Bible creates the Universe from nothing. He is omnipotent, meaning “all powerful”.

The false god of Word Faith has to use existing forces, “Faith”. He does not have all power. He must use what someone else made – who it is is unknown. and in the Word Faith universe… the universe makes itself. It has to, in obedient response to god’s positive confession of faith. Who does their false God have faith in??? Obviously someone higher than himself. The god of the Word Faith movement is not the God of the Bible.

The God of the Bible dwells in Heaven, but is everywhere at once. He is omnipresent.

The false god of Word Faith dwelt on Earth when he made it, and had to flee when “Legal rights” were given over to Satan. He now dwells on a planet. No doubt the Bible is named Kolob, as the Mormons teach. So far, the entire creation of the world account as given by Word Faith teachers is amazingly reminiscent of those given by the Book of Mormon.

Where did these “Legal rights” come from? Where were they created? Where did, according to Word Faith teachers, Satan come from? They don’t say.

Who enforces these legal rights the Word Faith teachers talk about? They speak of a “Supreme court of the universe…” Who is that? Who is so powerful that God has to obey their legal decisions?

translation – there are other gods, each with their own planets. Right out of the Book of Mormon. I’ll be providing these quotes later on, trust me,

That’s not the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible does not retreat or flee. The God of the Bible is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. All powerful, all knowing, everywhere at once.

The Word Faith teachers will say things like “Jesus, the perfect man.” I don’t know who they’re talking about. It’s not the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible. And as Justin Peters repeats in his A Call To Discernment videos, “If it is a different Jesus, it is a different Gospel, and a different Gospel cannot save.”

The Lord Jesus Christ in the Bible is more than a man. The Lord Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, Emmanuel. He is eternally pre-existent. The Lord Jesus Christ existed before the creation of the universe.

the “Perfect man” Jesus sounds more like the Christian Science “Jesus”. Perfect, the first “born again man.” That’s crucial to the word faith teachers, as it makes the miracles the Lord did available to all of us… for a love offering of $1,000 or higher. I actually have a video of a Word Faith teacher dismissing a $1,000 offering as “nothing – we’ve got people on Welfare vowing that – and paying it!!!”

They don’t always come out and add the last part, but if you listen closely, it’s in there. Always indirectly hinted at. More often than not, they come out and say it. “send me a thousand dollars.” We’re years away from Marjoe Gortner, who confessed in his documentary, “Just ask for ten dollars in a cookie jar. Because there’s at least 5 little old ladies in every city who’s got five dollars in a cookie jar, and they’ll send it to you. You can make $5,000 in a month doing that.” Greed has pushed the Wird Faith teachers into asking for the $1,000 right now – because apparently if you have 5 people in every city with it, and you’re in 40 cities on Cable – well, you’ll make $200,000 a month! Marjoe is probably thinking to himself he got out way too soon.

The Word Faith movement Jesus is a false Jesus, another Jesus, as the Bible says. To quote Justin Peters, “Another Jesus, another gospel.” The Bible says that anyone who preaches another gospel is to be accursed. In other words, they themselves are not born again.

What is faith?

1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

Indeed, this is the verse taken out of context and misused by Word Faith teachers.

Heb 11:1 εστιν δε πιστις ελπιζομενω υποστασις πραγματων ελεγχος ου βλεπομενων

The word we’ll be dealing wtih here is not πιστις Pistis, Faith, but rather… υποστασις Hupostasis (For some reasn, the diacritic is not showing up…. sorry… it really starts with an H sound).

Hupostasis, (Hoo po Stah sis) is a compound of two Greek words Hupo and Histemi. Hupo means under, through. Histemi means to stand, to be in place, established. Indeed, Apostasy comes from a usage of Histemi meaning “to move from where you stood”, “To deviate from the correct standing”. I mention this on purpose, by the way.

So Hupostasis would then mean to be established in understanding. “Confidence” or “Assurance” would be another word for it.

I’ve listed the verses where this word is used. The bolded word is Hupostasis.

4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting. 2 Corinthians 9:4 (KJV)

17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. 2 Corinthians 11:17 (KJV)

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Hebrews 1:3 (KJV)

14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; Hebrews 3:14 (KJV)

The Bible is not, then, saying “substance” in the way that electrons are a “Substance”. The concept is that “Faith” then would be something you could hold in your hand, like water.

This is an incorrect view, as you could plainly see for yourself by examining Hupostasis in context in the other 4 verses it is used in. If the Word Faith teachers all had the Websters 1828, like Fundamentalists do, they would know it means:

“The essential part; the main or material part. In this epitome, we have the substance of the whole book.”

now faith is (The essential part) of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (paraphrase, to give understanding to the words used in the authorized version)

When you say your Word Faith god is speaking in faith, you are in essence (that word essence right there would have been Hupostasis in the Greek, by the way) claiming that your little G god had confidence in something other than himself. In other words, the god of the Word Faith movement had to have a God of his own! Meaning the Word Faith movement god was a created being, who exalted himself to the place of God.

And indeed they are Biblically correct here – there is indeed a created being who exalted himself to the place of God:

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah 14:13-14 (KJV)

The Bible actually gives the name of this created being in the previous verse, and even tells what the result of his “positive confession” that he is a little god will be!

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV)

Let’s test this further. We have a created being who exalts himself into the place of god, and gives a positive confession that he is a little god. Does he teach others the same thing?

1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:1-5 (KJV)

So the very first cardinal doctrine of the Word Faith movement is refuted right off the bat!

I’m going to further show that the Word Faith movement is incompatible with Christianity, and indeed is the antithesis of Biblical Christianity.

Biblical Christianity says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, the wages of sin is death, God commendeth His love in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us, and those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. That’s the Romans Road, a boiling down of the Gospel into a few seconds. It places the burden on Man, in that we are sinners, and the wages of sin is death. God gave us a way to salvation through the propitiairy sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. By repenting of our sins and our sinful ways and turning to the Lord, confessing His name and pleading with Him to save us, we have faith in the Lord to save us by His grace. That’s the Gospel.

Word Faith says that god created the world by the speaking of his mouth, but we, little gods all, gave away the legal right of this world to Satan. So the god of Word Faith, unable to interfere in this world without our permission sent a man named Jesus to die and go to Hell and be punished for us. while in Hell this man Jesus became born again, and resumed his original nature as a god. So we, when we are born again, are little gods again. The god of the Word Faith movement requires our mighty permission to act in this world, and when we speak this faith substance, we create just as the Word Faith god created – and when we pray, we give this powerless god the ability to act in this world.

Biblical Christianity gives God the glory, and boasts of the mightiness of God. Word Faith gives man the glory, and claims god is powerless. It is a different God, a different Jesus, a different Gospel.

The Bible warned that false teachers would arise, bringing false gospels.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Acts 20:29-30 (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 2 Corinthians 11:3-5 (KJV)

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9 (KJV)

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:18 (KJV)

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23 (KJV)

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3 (KJV)

7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:7-9 (KJV)

In light of everything we’ve examined, it’s time we started making conclusions, uncomfortable ones. We’ve shown the Word Faith teachers are teaching something that has to be considered another Gospel. The Bible is clear what we must do to any that teach this false gospel.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2 John 1:10-11 (KJV)

The question now is… do most Word Faith teachers deny the Godhood of the Lord Jesus Christ? That is the other component that positively would identify them as the antichrists spoken of in these verses. (All quotes were found on Let Us Reason unless otherwise noted. Some additional quotes were found in the E-Book Heresy Unmasked by Basilius M. Kasera)

“why didn’t Jesus openly proclaim Himself as God during His 33 years on earth? For one single reason. He hadn’t come to earth as God, He’d come as man.” Kenneth Copeland

“Jesus existed only as an image in the heart of God, until such time as the prophets of the Old Testament could positively confess Jesus into existence through their constant prophecies.” Kenneth Copeland

“When His blood poured out it did not atone.” (Kenneth Copeland) http://www.alan-vincent.com/wordoffaithmovement.htm

“Don’t be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you’re God -the more you get to be like me, the more they’re going to think that way of you. They crucified me for claiming that I was God. But I didn’t claim I was God, I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in me.” Kenneth Copeland, quoting what someone named Jesus supposedly told him.

“The trinity is a doctrine of the devil.” William Branham.

“Jesus is not God.” Paula White

“the trinity is of course God the father God the son God the holy Ghost. We have to be careful because religion has us sometime thinking we have three different Gods. You know there’s God here ..hey holy ghost- hey Jesus…its God one God one faith one baptism not three Gods not three faiths not baptism’s everytime you mess up,one. God the father, one God, three functions one and different functions God functioning as a father- God functioning as a son -God functioning as the holy ghost.” Creflo Dollar

“I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions so separate each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.” T. D. Jakes

“God the Father. ladles and gentlemen, is a Person, and He is a triune being by Himself, separate from the Son and the Holy Ghost… God the Father 1s a Person, God the Son Is a Person. God the Holy Ghost Is a Person. But each of them is a triune being by Himself. It I can shock you- and maybe I should- there’s nine of ’em… God the Father, ladies and gentlemen. Is a Person with His own personal spirit, with His own personal soul, and His own personal spirit body. You say, 1 never read that.’ Well, you think you’re in this church to hear things that you’ve heard for the last fifty years? Ladles and gentlemen, this thing is in my book and was tested by three theologians… it’s all in the Word…” Benny Hinn

“Teachers of the Trinity teach that Jesus is Jehovah; they have no scriptures to back this up, and why don’t they believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that Jehovah is Jehovah?” Gwen Shamblin

“God the father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, God three in one. The Holy Ghost is no different than Jesus and Jesus is no different than the Holy Ghost …water you see it… if you take that to a scientists and ask it to analyze that and tell you what it is. He won’t tell you its water he’ll say that’s two parts hydrogen one part oxygen.That’s H2O now if take this and boil it and I capture the steam and I take that to the scientist he won’t say its steam he’ll say its H2O if I take this and put it in the freezer and take it to the same scientist hand it to the scientist say analyze this for me he won’t say that’s ice he’ll say that’s H2O they’re all H2O but there different manifestations of the same thing.” Rod Parsley

“You can’t call us ‘Jesus only,’ as some have. We do not deny the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit, We believe Jesus Christ is wholly, fully, absolutely and completely God. But no one isgoing to put us in the position of saying there are three Gods.” Tommy Tenny, author, United Pentacostal Church

Do Word Faith Teachers deny the atonement on the Cross? Yes. They insist the atonement had to be paid in Hell.

“Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a cross? If that were the case, the thieves could have paid your price.” Frederick K. C. Price

“Physical death would not remove our sins. He tasted death for every man – spiritual death. Jesus is the first person ever to be born again. Why did HIS spirit need to be born again? Because it was estranged from God.” Kenneth Hagin

“It wasn’t the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin … anybody could do that.” Kenneth Copeland

“Jesus Christ knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him…He became sin, so sinners can be righteous in Him. He became one with the nature of Satan, so all those who had the nature of Satan can partake of the nature of God.” Benny Hinn http://www.alan-vincent.com

“Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only” Kenneth Copeland

It’s really time we stopped calling these men Christians. Most of them have denied the Godhood of the Lord Jesus Christ. If they don’t repent, they’re getting left behind in the Tribulation, and they’re going straight to hell at the moment of death.

The Bible commands us to separate from any who deny the Godhood of Jesus. We are to mark them and avoid them, not even wishing them Godspeed, lest we share in their punishment. How can two walk together, unless they be in agreement? Kenneth Copeland, Gloria Copeland, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Hagin, T. D. Jakes, Creflo Dollar, and Myles Munroe are heretics, who teach blasphemies and damnable heresies, denying even the Lord which bought them. Unless they repent, they face a terrible future in Hell.

Who is the Lord?


2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go. Exodus 5:2 (KJV)

You’re all God. You don’t have a God living in you; you are one! … When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, ‘I AM,’ I say, ‘Yeah, I am too!'” (Kenneth Copeland, “The Force of Love,” Tape BBC-56).

“God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. … He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn’t come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He’s going to have to be in agreement with a man here.” (Kenneth Copeland, God’s Covenants With Man II, 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1)

There is real problems with defining God in Word Faith.  As I mentioned yesterday, Copeland and many other Word Faith teachers claim God is a man, having a body. The Bible teaches something else, but that’s beside the point.

Now for the major issue. God, according to the Word Faith teachers, is not God. We are g-d. I remember reading a quote from either Kenneth Hagin or Kenneth Copeland where whoever the word faith teacher was rebuked Satan, and God supposedly said to him, “I’m glad you said something to him, I couldn’t do it!”

The issue is – to the faith preacher, God is not g-d, but the faith teacher is.

“God’s reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself…He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even” (Kenneth Copeland, “Following the Faith of Abraham,” tape 01-3001).

Man…was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…. God has made us as much like Himself as possible…. He made us the same class of being that He is Himself…. Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with God…. The believer is called Christ….That’s who we are; we’re Christ!  (Kenneth E. Hagin, “Zoe: The God-Kind of Life” (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), pp. 35-36, 41.)

Um… no. I’m not Jesus Christ. Not by a long shot. If you think that we’re Jesus Christ, your definition of Jesus Christ is tremendously faulty.

Jesus Christ is God. He does not require permission. He does not require faith. He does not require…

…any of us. Jesus Christ will never say, “I need you” or “I can do nothing without you.” Indeed, He says the opposite – we can do nothing apart from Him!

But every Word Faith teacher reports hearing from Jesus Christ (which one, I don’t know, but it’s not the Jesus of the Bible…) “I need you, son, I need you.” Or, “I need you boy, I need you.” Or… the exact word in the middle changes depending on the style of speech.

Nope.

Biblical Answer – this is the Son of God. I want you to really grasp that. The very moment that the deed to the earth is held forth in Heaven, and the question is asked, “Who is worthy to open?” those in Heaven actually weep, because of their unworthiness.

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Revelation 5:1-5 (KJV)

Read it. Don’t skip it. The words of Philip are completely unimportant in this moment. Really reflect on this, that no man could even LOOK at the seals, let alone open them. Only Jesus Christ.

And he looks at Benny Hinn and says… “I need you. I need you.”

When does this happen? Only in Benny Hinn’s imagination. The REAL Jesus Christ is so POWERFUL, so AMAZING, so HOLY, that… He does not need us. If every human being rejected Him, he’d be sad. And He’d be utterly right to condemn every Human Being to Hell.

To claim Jesus Christ is telling you personally, “I need you” is to place yourself higher than God. You know, I don’t think I’d really want to explain myself to Jesus Christ why I was saying this.

Because He just might ask. And if Hinn  and Copeland are not saved…. He most assuredly will require them to explain these statements to all His redeemed, who will be watching – and probably grieving as they see so many forced to make an account of themselves.

The Spirit of God spoke to me, and He said “Son, realize this” Now follow me in this, don’t let your tradition trip you up. He said “Think this way. A twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible..I said “What?” He said “A born-again man defeated Satan – the first-born of many brethren defeated him.” He said “You are the very image, and the very copy of that one.” I said “Goodness Gracious, saints alive.” I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said “Well you don’t mean – You couldn’t dare mean that I could have done the same thing?” He said “Oh yeah. If you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did you could’ve done the same thing cause you’re a re-born man too.” (Kenneth Copeland, “Substitution and Identification” (Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989, audio tape #00-0202, side 2)

Kenneth Copeland teaches an utter denial of Jesus Christ, and a pagan exalting of himself as just as much a god as Jesus Christ. Indeed, he seems to skirt around disparaging Jesus Christ almost every chance he gets.

If you are in a Word Faith church, you need to really start examining your beliefs in light of the Bible. Does the Bible line up with this stuff? Or not?

If not… you need to get out of it, fast.

Define God


8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. Isaiah 44:8 (KJV)

The Word Faith movement has some problems with the definition of God. To the rank and file word faith church attender,  they pretty much agree with Christians… God is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

To Word Faith Teachers, it is God the man, Jesus the first born again man, and The Holy Spirit.

Where do they get the God the man from?

The truth is, from a blend of New thought teachings of Phineas Parkhurst Quimby, and the bizarre study bible by J. Finis Dake. I remember it was recommended to me by my pastor. I couldn’t afford it at the time, but I found it at the local library. I returned it the next day, when I read “God lives on the planet Heaven and is a six foot tall man.” I’m summarizing, but that’s RIGHT in the beginning of that book – I really am not comfortable calling that a Bible. I told my pastor at the time, “I don’t know – that Dake guy is a Mormon or something. He thinks God is a man.

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Numbers 23:19 (KJV)

God is “a being that is very uncanny the way He’s very much like you and me. A being that stands somewhere around 6’-2”, 6’-3”, that  weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple of hundred  pounds, little better, [and] has a [hand] span of nine inches across.” (Kenneth Copeland, Spirit, Soul and Body I, 1985, audiotape #01-0601, side 1)

“[Adam] was the copy, looked just like [God]. If you stood Adam upside God, they look just exactly alike. If you stood Jesus and Adam side-by-side, they would look and sound exactly alike.” (Kenneth Copeland, Authority of the Believer IV, 1987, audiotape #01-0304, side 1)

There you have it. Kenneth Copeland agrees with and teaches the “God the man” theology of J. Finis Dake. Not only that, but he has the “Adam was God too” theology and the “Heaven is a planet” theology as well.

Heaven has a north and a south and an east and a west.  Consequently, it must be a planet.” (Kenneth Copeland, Spirit, Soul and Body I, 1985 audiotape #01-0601, side 1)

“You’re all God. You don’t have a God living in you; you are one! … When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, ‘I AM,’ I say, ‘Yeah, I am too!'” (Kenneth Copeland, “The Force of Love,” Tape BBC-56).

Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh.” (Kenneth Copeland, Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape, #01-3001, side 1)

This is not Christianity. This is paganism. This is New Age. Word Faith teachers have no right to mock any New Age Adherent for shouting on the beach, “I am g-d!” Sorry, I can’t bring myself to type that. But if Kenneth Copeland, Myles Munroe, Creflo Dollar and Joyce Meyer are teaching the same thing, they are just as wrong, just as pagan.

Yesterday I gave a number of quotes of Word Faith teachers denying the deity of Christ. ALL of them teach Jesus Christ was the first Born Again man,

Newsflash – Jesus Christ was without sin, perfect. He was not born again. We need to be born again. He does not.

So who is the god of Word Faith?

The Holy Spirit. Not the Holy Spirit of the Bible, but an entity that chooses to give some people – all word faith teachers by the way – extreme levels of “Anointing” and “faith” that roughly coincide with their bank accounts (more money, more Holy Spirit).

It causes people to babble, roll on the floor, bark like dogs, and laugh hysterically. Apparently Hindu’s get this same “Holy Spirit” too, but they call it Kundalini.

The holy Spirit causes some word faith teachers to levitate, fly, see the minds of their followers and staffers. Mind you, they never do this levitating or flying in front of their followers.

This Holy Spirit apparently steals from the wealthy, according to word faith teachers, as they preach that we can command the Holy Spirit to lay up for us the wealth of the wicked.

If you take the teachings of the word faith teachers and contrast them to Christianity, you begin to ask uncomfortable questions. Like – are you people really Christians? I never hear you preach the Gospel. I hear them preach a lot of Jesus on the Cross, but always emphasizing that they believe He took on the nature of (‘l’havdil) satan.

Sorry for using the Hebrew word above, but I can’t bring myself to write those words without putting a separation between Jesus and… So Jews when writing a blasphemy always use the word “Separate” between the Holy and the profane.

Jesus Christ is God. He cannot CEASE to be God. He emptied Himself, limiting Himself in a way we cannot grasp while He was on Earth, but right now in Heaven, He is fully God and Fully Man. Jesus Christ cannot take on the nature of… (l’havdil) satan. Sorry. Can’t happen. He became the offering for sin, but did not die spiritually.

I’ll explain that more tomorrow.

What think ye of Christ?


41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions. Matthew 22:41-46 (KJV)

This is a major error area of Word Faith teachers.

“Don’t be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you’re God.  Don’t be disturbed when people accuse you of a fanatical way of life. Don’t be disturbed when people put you down and speak harshly and roughly of you. They spoke that way of me, should they not speak that way of you? The more you get to be like me, the more they’re going to think that way of you. They crucified me for claiming I was God. But I didn’t claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with him and he was in me.” Hallelujah. that’s what your doing. (printed in Voice of Victory vol.15.no.2 1987)

That’s Kenneth Copeland denying Christ. Copeland claims Jesus never claimed to be God. I don’t know what Bible Copeland is reading, but it most certainly is not the same one I read.

17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:17-18 (KJV)

30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. John 10:30-33 (KJV)

Copeland says Jesus Christ never claimed to be God. There’s two verses where He came right out and claimed to be.

The more you read and study your Bible, and then sit through any of their teachings, the more you have to come to the conclusion that Hinn, Copeland, Dollar, and Meyers all follow a different Jesus. Here’s a quote from Creflo Dollar

Creflo Dollar teaches that “Jesus didn’t come as God, He came as a man, and He did not come perfect… ‘How many of you know the Bible says God never sleeps nor slumbers? And yet in the Book of Mark we see Jesus asleep in the back of the boat. This ain’t no heresy. I’m not some false prophet. I’m just reading this thing to you out of the Bible.” (Changing Your World, December 8, 2002).

Creflo Dollar denies the deity of Jesus Christ. So does Kenneth Copeland.

Benny Hinn is just weird, teaching that the Trinity has a Trinity – the Godhead composed of nine beings. He’s recanted it, then said it again, then recanted it. But it’s still in his books, from what I’ve been told.

“He was resurrected from the dead,the first born-again man” (The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make: A Complete And Thorough Understanding Of What It Means To Be Born Again, 1991, pages 35-36, Joyce Meyer)

Joyce Meyer’s quote is an essential quote – because it’s held by many of the Word faith teachers.

Yes, Jesus Christ was fully human. No doubt about that. He was also fully God. That means perfect, without sin. Jesus Christ was and is and ever shall be fully God. He LIMITED Himself slightly in ways we cannot fully understand…

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:5-11 (KJV)

The fancy phrase for this was the Kenosis κένωσις., the “emptying”. We really cannot use the right words, because they don’t exist in English, and… we probably wouldn’t understand them anyway.

To be born again is to sin. To be a sinner, in rebellion against God. That completely contradicts Phil. 2, which emphasizes Christ’s obedience to the Father.

The Word Faith teachers claim Jesus Christ is a born again man. If you try to correct them and say, “uh… well, Jesus Christ is God…” they’ll agree. But they’ll spell God with a small G.

Why?

Because Word Faith is obsessed with the teaching that says Christians are gods. Uh… that’s a blasphemy. We are not gods. We are no gods. We are men.

Jesus Christ is God. He was God from before the creation of the Universe. He has existed FOREVER as God. He will exist FOREVER as God.

Jesus Christ is not and cannot be Born Again. To CLAIM He is is to deny Jesus Christ.

Kenneth Copeland teaches the “first born again man” teaching. As does Joyce Meyers. And Creflo Dollar. Benny Hinn teaches it.

“Do you know what else that’s settled then tonight? This hue and cry and controversy that has been spawned by the devil to try to bring
dissension within the body of Christ that we are gods. I am a little god. I have His name. I am one with Him. I’m in covenant relation. I am a little god. Critics be gone!” (Paul Crouch, “Praise the Lord” program, July 7, 1986).

Well, the critics are still here… Paul Crouch is gone. And he never renounced this teaching before his death.

“Why did He (Jesus) need to be begotten, or born? Because He became like we were: separated from God. Because He tasted spiritual death for every man….Jesus was the first person that was ever born again.” (Keenneth Hagin, How Jesus Obtained His Name, Tulsa: Rhema)

“The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, “Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up. He said, Think this way, a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain. And I threw my Bible down! I said, What? He said, A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.â He said, You are the very image, the very copy of that one. I said, Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing? He said, Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could’ve done the same thing, ’cause you’re a reborn man too.” (Kenneth Copeland, Substitution and Identification (Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989), tape #00-0202,
side 2.)

This is the supreme denial of Jesus Christ. They teach, “Jesus is a born again man, I’m a born again man, so I’m the same as Jesus Christ, and if I’d just been born first, this would be Kennethianity and not Christianity!”

If you follow this heresy, this blasphemy of the word faith movement… you need to come out. And come out fast.

Care for the poor


7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: 8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth. 9 Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee. 10 Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him: because that for this thing the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto. 11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land. Deuteronomy 15:7-11 (KJV)

You know, this is a verse I really don’t recall hearing T. D. Jakes, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Hagin, Benny Hinn, or Joyce Meyers ever preaching on,

One of the teachings of the Word-Faith  preachers – and really, you can’t make this stuff up… it’s really what they teach! – is that if you give money to an anointed teacher of word faith, you get a blessing. Not sure how that works.

But they really teach that if you need a thousand dollar miracle, you send Kenneth Copeland a check for $1,000. If that check doesn’t bounce, then you’ll get a thousand dollar miracle. PLUS!!! You get blessed, some sixty fold, some a thousand fold! Hey! You can’t lose! Send Kenneth Copeland a thousand dollars, and you’ll get back a million in cash from God at some point! And if you sew that million dollars in cash into Kenneth Copeland… you’ll get back a BILLION dollars!

Maybe that explains the Federal Deficit.

Brothers and sisters, the only person this benefits is Kenneth Copeland. I’d love to hear from ONE person who send Kenneth Copeland a thousand dollar check, and got back an unforseen cash bonus of one million dollars. Just one.

Hey, I’d love to speak to anyone who could even claim the lowest tier of sixtyfold – sixty thousand dollars for a one thousand donation to Copeland.

Copeland’s ministries can’t complain – this is exactly what he teaches. And the people who get sucked into this are the ones who need the money the most. You’re so desperate to be able to even make ends meet, you’ll take a hundred bucks you can’t afford and send it to him.

I remember my first pastor, who I mentioned once was a word-faith teacher, talked about the time he made a pledge to donate a faith seed of ten thousand dollars, when he had nothing but lint in his pocket. And he boasted that the Lord was able to provide that cash at the last minute.

I got some doubts.

Did I donate the ten thousand? Nope. You gotta be kidding me.

Because there’s nothing in the Bible to support this.

And Copeland has his figures wrong on this, too…

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Matthew 13:18-23 (KJV)

This, friends, is talking about the benefits of being saved. They hear the WORD.  Gets SAVED. Bears FRUIT.

It has NOTHING to do with sending my money to Benny Hinn, who boldly says things like,

“Do you need a miracle? The Miracle matches the gift. You cannot get a thousand dollar blessing if you sew a hundred dollar gift.”

So, my advice to Hinn is this: Send the hundred dollar gift they sent you to Kenneth Copeland. When God blesses Benny Hinn, he can use that as the miracle increase for the person who needed the thousand dollar miracle, and did not get it!

11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land. Deuteronomy 15:11 (KJV)

How much money has Copeland, Hinn, Jakes, Meyers and Osteen donated to the poor? Seems to me that if Creflo Dollar needed that miracle Jet plane for his ministry, he should have given ten thousand dollars to the poor in his congregation, and saw if he was blessed a thousandfold.

This teaching makes me sick. it makes me angry. These wolves are overly wealthy. TD Jakes talked about the time the heater for his hot tub exploded, and blew the entire room to pieces. It never occurred to him that the vast, vast majority of his audience cannot afford their water bill, let alone a second water heater just for a hot tub. In a special room built for it.

Joyce Meyers has one of the biggest homes of ANY of the televangelists. There’s a parsonage for one televangelist that has a 3,000 foot garage.

It’s a parsonage. His megachurch pays for that house. It doesn’t come out of his pay.

Jesus Christ had no place to lay His head, and yet these men are fabulously wealthy. It’s sickening.

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Matthew 19:21 (KJV)