Seventh Day Adventism Answered 20

Some random questions for any member of the SDA…

What authority gave Ellen G. White the authority to lead the SDA church? Why did no one object to her assuming control?

Does the SDA church deny today that they teach that Jesus is the archangel Michael?

Do they deny that they are indeed the authors of the Jehovah’s Witnesses heresies?

there are major errors associated with the SDA’s. So many in fact that they conflicgt with orthodox christian doctrines in areas of theology, christology, pneumatology, soteriology, hamartiology, angelology…. almost every area of doctrine.

I would submit that the differences remain so great that the SDA cannot be considered Christian, but rather a pagan religion or a cult. Loosely organized and poorly controlled, but still a cult.

What test prophecy did Ellen G. White give before the Adventists accepted her as a prophet?

Error led to the SDa accepting Ellen G as a prophet, this in turn led to accepting a host of doctrinal errors.

SDA denies today that they originally did not believe Jesus is God.

Ellen G. White accepted the Trinity, but her husband James White did not.

Is this not a conflict? If she truly was a prophet of God as James White taught others, then would he not have simply accepted what she taught on this issue?

And is this not a conflict that she claimed (in violation of Scripture) to speak with him and be guided by him after he died? We know that any who deny the Trinity will not inherit the kingdom of God. So, either she was a false prophet from the start, as I have maintained from the start, or the James white manifestation was a demon. In that latter case, the writings of Ellen G. White cannot be the equal of Scripture, nor can they complete them as the SDA maintain.

At what point was she misled by a demonic apparition? If she was a prophet, why did she not realize he was a demon?

Why would she speak to the dead, when if she was a prophet she would have known that this was forbidden by Scripture?

If she was mistaken, she cannot be a prophet. If she was lying, she cannot be a prophet. If she was misled, she cannot be a prophet. The only hope for the SDA church now is to deny that the spirit of James White came to Ellen G. White after his death and descent into Hell, and claim the stories were forged. In which case we would have a different problem then – which of her writings are authentic and which are forgeries???

doctrinal error leads to doctrinal error. If the seed is corrupt, so too will the fully grown plant from that seed.

If William Miller was wrong right from the start, so too will everything that grew out of it, including the SDA, which doctrinally is as full of error as Miller’s other offspring the Jehovah’s Witnesses.


Date Setting

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Acts 1:6-7 (KJV)

Rapture Date Settings

1843 Rapture William Miller

1844 Rapture William Miller

1914 Rapture Jehovah’s Witnesses

1916 Rapture Jehovah’s Witnesses

1925 Rapture Jehovah’s Witnesses

1975 Rapture Jehovah’s Witnesses

1975 September 6 Rapture Dr. Charles R. Taylor

1979 Rapture Eldon D. Purvis

1980 April 1 Rapture Elijah Two

1980 Rapture Mikkel Dahl

1980 Antichrist Sets up Kingdom Emil Gaverluk

1984 Rapture Jack Van Impe

1988 Sept. 11, Sept. 13 Rapture Edgar C. Whisenant

1988 September 12 Rapture About 6:pm Jerusalem Time Rick Henry Hall

1989 October 1 Rapture Joseph R. Civelli

1992 October Rapture Bang-Ik Ha

1992 October 28 Rapture COC Mission

1994 September Second Coming Harold Camping

1996 September 14 70th Week Begins. Barney Fuller

1996 Rapture Sid Roth

1996 Millennium Begins C. G. Ozanne

1996 November 2 Rapture James McCutchan

1997 October 16 Millennium Begins Joseph R. Civelli

1998 May 31 Rapture I (first rapture) M.J. Agee

1998 November Armageddon Ends Robert Bartel 46

2000 Rapture Clarence Larkin

2000 Rapture Avi Ben Mordecai

2000 March Rapture Marvin Byers

2000 October 9 Armageddon E. Berkeley Hammond

2000 October 19 Rapture James McCutchan

2001 Rapture David Webber / N.W. Hutchings

2002 October 7 Rapture 6:00pm Jerusalem Time Colen Deal

2003 September 27 Second Coming James McCutchan

2007 September 13 Second Coming James McCutchan

2007 September 13 Millennium Begins M. J. Agee

2008 April 21 Armageddon Begins M. J. Agee

2012 doomsday (contemporary interpretation by nameless peyote smoking new ager based upon the Mayan Calendar)

2012 Second Coming Harold Camping

I’m a little surprised that in the writing where I found most of the list above (THE ESCHATOLOGY WARS: Brutal War Against Bible Prophecy By David A. Lewis) some of these names were left out. Either it was not intended to be an accurate, complete list -or it was decided not to put Jack Van Impe’s prediction on the list. My understanding is he’s done this twice, although I can’t find today the exact date. I’m thinking he’d said 1992, but hey… I don’t have it, so I won’t put it.

Everyone makes a big deal about Harold Camping being wrong twice, but nobody bats an eye about Jack Van Impe or Sid Roth. I wonder why?

I’m inclined to calculate the date at Feb. 31, 1975, and Armageddon at Sept. 31, 1982. We all missed it, due to impending excitement over a Celtics game (it’s plausible – Larry Bird was playing…) the next week.

Seriously. No man knoweth the day nor the hour. It is not given to us to know. The Bible speaks plainly. It’s a wonderful thing to get excited about the Lord’s Return. And we get all into reading Daniel, which is also a good thing.

But when you reach for that calculator, STOP. We cannot know the day nor the hour. And we’re all excited about watching Hollywood movies about some guy sitting there with ancient books, and can calculate the actual date that the sun will shine on the Sneffels volcano and reveal the hidden treasure or whatever.

But the Bible is the word of God. It’s not a secret decoder ring. The Lord is amazingly blunt. If the date had been in there, He’d have cautioned us that the date is in there, but woe to the man who calculates wrongly!

Instead, we’re told no man knoweth the date or the hour.

Want my prediction? The Lord can come at any moment. It’s been that way since 30 seconds after His ascension, and will be all the way until the very moment of the Rapture. Need a date? What more do you need than this?

Seventh Day Adventism Answered 9

It’s time we started analyzing the SDA doctrines. Things like the Investigative Judgment, the seventh day Sabbath, etc.

Let’s examine them, and see if there’s anything Biblical to them.

First, since it’s important to SDA adherents, let’s look at the Investigative judgment.

From the SDA website…

In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent.

Okay, let me break all that down so its understandable.

supposedly, Jesus Christ did something new in 1844. Now, if you’ve read all the articles I’ve written up to this point, you know it’s based upon William Miller, who was both right and wrong in teaching 1843. 1844 he was right and wrong about as well, according to the SDA.

So, Jesus Christ did something that supposedly cleansed the heavenly sanctuary, which according to Hebrews was done when He ascended to heaven…

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. 21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. Hebrews 9:11-21 (KJV)

There’s so much here I find wrong I hardly know where to start! Expect me to be on this one paragraph for a few days!!!

So we’ve got a problem here doctrinally. The SDA say it didn’t happen until 1844 – yet Hebrews clearly shows that it is a past event (he entered in once) and that His priesthood and daily intercession is current (he is the mediator).

So, how can it be a past event that happens in the future, at the time Hebrews was written? When Hebrews was written, we see that the Temple is still standing by the very tenses used. So, if that’s valid to establish the date of Hebrews, it’s also valid to show that the atonement of Christ happened shortly after the resurrection.

So, that’s dealt with. Let me quickly deal with the “cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary” issue – this is HEAVEN. It doesn’t need cleansing.

Okay, let’s move onto the investigative part.

part of the SDA doctrine is that since 1844, Christians must keep the law as well as be saved by Grace.

That was a heresy when I dealt with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. That was a heresy when I dealt with Roman Catholics. That was a heresy when I dealt with Messianics. So, I suppose when I come to the SDA, well, it’s okay because someone with no seminary training and limited Bible experience and no pastoral oversighy said so. Well! That’s different! It must be okay, right?

No. If something is heresy according to Galatians 1:7-8, then it’s heresy even if Ellen G. White says it!

The SDA talks about those who are worthy of translation. That’s… none of us. We have imputed righteousness, from Christ. We’ve heard the illustration “justified means just as if I’d never sinned”. It’s a good way to express it, I suppose.

Let’s deal with all the verses on the investigative judgement.

Okay, done. There aren’t any.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:8-11 (KJV)

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7 (KJV)

The Lord returns visibly. Every eye will see Him.

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Mark 14:61-62 (KJV)

26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Luke 21:26-27 (KJV)

There you go. Done. We’ll deal more with this soon.

Seventh Day Adventism Answered 7

Let’s briefly go back to the questions I asked in the first posts that give the definition of a cult. At the time, I gave absolutely no answer to them. Today, I’ll fill in the answers to what I’ve written about in less than a week.

  1. Are they teaching Biblical doctrine, or heretical? There’s only two options. Answer: Heretical – Jesus is Michael
  2. Are they preaching the Gospel, or another Gospel? No answer yet.. but a different Jesus is a different gospel…
  3. Is their Jesus the Jesus of the Bible, or a different Jesus? A Different Jesus… Michael, the Arch-Angel and Captain of God’s Host… (Patriarchs and Prophets, pg. 761)
  4. Do they rely solely on the word of God, or upon extra-Biblical writings? Let’s see, Great controversy,Patriarchs and Prophets… I would say extra-Biblical writings…
  5. Do they derive their doctrines solely from the word of God, or do the teachings of the organization/denomination/cult have equal weight to the Bible? Equal Weight
  6. Is there a central figure or group they owe a personal allegiance to? Ellen G. White
  7. Do they regard their cult/denomination/group as the only true church? The SDA considers themselves the Remnant Church, and relies upon the teachings of Ellen G. White that Satan has taken possession of the Protestant “Church”
  8. Do they add required actions or works to assist as a means of salvation? Not answered yet… stay tuned

So far, we – in just a few days – have positively identified 6 out of 8 hallmarks of a cult concerning the SDA. That should worry you a LOT. The problem with being in a cult is that you’re stuck on the idea that you are part of the few that have it RIGHT, and everyone else is so WRONG. That feeling alas is partly correct – those who have their soteriology (doctrines of salvation) correct number to less than a few percent of the planet. Sadly, the SDA is not part of that number, and we’ll get into that.

The problem, as you’re about to find out, is that Ellen G. White started making pronouncements and visions when she didn’t know a lot of the Bible. She made HUGE mistakes in her doctrines, and by the time she’d “learned” better, well, by that time she’d written massive volumes with those doctrinal mistakes in them. She never recanted the “Jesus is Michael the archangel” doctrine, so if you come out of the SDA and get saved, I’m afraid you may not be talking to her in heaven. That’s a terrible doctrinal error to surmount, to insist that Jesus Christ is a created being. As readers of this blog saw recently, last month I posted a link to a SermonAudio story that shows that 1 in 5 Evangelical Christians believe the same thing.

Am I saying that 20% of Christians will not be in heaven, then?

Absolutely I am saying that. If you can’t answer that simple question right… “but who do ye say that I am?”… you’re a tare, a false convert.

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24 (KJV)

I wonder how many SDA are familiar with the Kellogg brothers? Dr. Kellogg (yes the breakfast cereal guy) was SDA. He for a time ended up being the physician consulted for Ellen G. White, which led eventually to his doctrinal stance that he no longer considered her writing inspired. He was hauled in for an inquisition, which lasted 12 hours and had hundreds of pages of transcripts. It seems that the problem was that he had authority over the Battle Creek, Michigan Sanitarium, and that Ellen G. was incensed that he was not following at heel to her commands. So the inquisition was ordered to attempt to regain control over the Battle Creek Sanitarium.

In the pages of the transcripts – which I’m sure the SDA denomination will supply if you request it – there is an odd comment, as reported by D. A. Canwright…

“You know, in the days of the Elder [Elder James White], how her writings were handled, just as well as I do.” Dr. Kellogg replied: “Of course I do.”

That should feel roughly like someone just dumped ice water on you. This is the truth about Ellen G. White’s writings.

When the SDA were first formed, the SDA consisted of James White, Joseph Butler, and Ellen Harmon. Now, the official propaganda films of the SDA all show a room of upset men and women, suggesting the Great Disappointment, and a wild eyed girl portraying the part of Ellen Harmon, who begins talking, and everyone looking pleased, as if she had her first vision in the morning hours immediately after the Great Disappointment.

Well, in reality, the entire Adventist movement was not present in one room, as it was tens of thousands of people. And in reality, it was two months later that Ellen Harmon had her first visions.

Miss Harmon married James White in 1846, when she was encouraged by James White and Joseph Bates to continue having them. Hm. Both men stood publicly on their belief they were divine visions (we’re going to analyze them in depth in a day or so…).

Why did they have to encourage her? Did anyone put a reassuring hand on Daniel’s shoulder and say, “Don’t worry, Belteshazzar… keep having those visions!”

No, Daniel knew they were of God. Jeremiah knew when God seized his voice and spoke through him it was God. Isaiah had no doubts. I can’t find any prophet of God who worried about their position that they were a prophet of God.

But Ellen Harmon worried about them.

“I was sometimes tempted to doubt my own experience” (Early Writings,” p. 18).

‘I am afraid I shall become an infidel'” (“Testimonies,” Vol. I., p. 597).

There are two personalities who suffered either from a blend of religious mania and Epilepsy, or from a mild form of Schizophrenia – or even demonic possession. I cannot by US Federal law name the one individual, but I can name Ellen G. Harmon White as the other. D. A .Canwright holds no doubt that she had epilepsy. I could go either way on it.

But both individuals worried about their visions and booming prophetic voices they heard, worrying that they were from a demon or from means where they worried about not only the source, but their own eternal soul.

So, what do we have here, then? Ellen White worried about her visions. Elders Bates and White encouraged her. We have a cryptic question about “you know how her visions were handled.”

Ellen G. White was being influenced by Elders Bates and White to have visions upon request.

William Miller teaches for years an 1843 rapture. Ellen White has a vision afterwards saying he was right… even though it never happened. William Miller also taught the 1844 rapture. Ellen White has a vision proclaiming that one right, too – despite it never happening.

Elder Bates believed in a seventh day Sabbath. By a miracle, she suddenly has a vision, showing the fourth commandment glowing. And the Adventist group they were part of becomes the Seventh Day Adventists. Miraculous. Prudent. It allowed her to cement the alliance between the two men, who both had strong leadership skills.

Later, J. N. Andrews comes to the Adventists, and explains how the Jews calculated the time of the Sabbath, from sundown to sundown. This is in direct opposition to the 6 PM time of Elder Bates. A vision boldly comes forth, telling the Adventists they’ve been breaking the Sabbath, and henceforth are to do it from sundown to sundown. When voices are raised in confusion with how these things are reconciled, she tells everyone that a vision will come forth explaining it!

well, it never showed up. Ellen by that time has a meeting with Elder White, who tells her she’s working too hard, and to in essence retire. No problem, she does that. So nobody ever gets the explanation.

But Elder White by that time… has been dead for some time.

Early on in the Adventist history, O. R. L. Crosier joins the movement, but has a theory about the 1844 date being Christ entering the sanctuary, and beginning the Investigative Judgment. Lo and behold, Ellen White has a vision concerning it.

Later Crosier repudiates the theory, but by that time it’s too entrenched in the SDA writings. See, Ellen had a bad habit of writing books. Or copying them, as we’ll see.

Soul sleep they lifted from the First Day Adventists, who they had a falling out with. But prior to that… she has a vision about the state of the dead. Oh, my! Her vision miraculously coincides with their doctrine!

When Elder White needed money, he conceives a scheme whereby every SDA member lists the full value of their property and their estimated income for the next year, and that every SDA would pay tithes in advance. Yes, the Independent Baptist “promise giving” comes from the Seventh Day Adventists. It’s a good reason to drop that sorry tradition that only a few churches practice.

Do you see the pattern? I could go on and on, but basically it would read every event in the SDA history, and the subsequent vision Ellen G. White had in response.

The tip off should have been her promise that the conflict between the 6 pm sabbath and the Sunday sabbath.

See, visions from the Lord would come at the Lord’s time, not Ellen’s time. If the Lord changed things, wouldn’t He have explained why, at the time? Why did He need to try to think of an explanation over the next few days?

Well if it was the Lord, He wouldn’t change His mind. He’d have given the right answer right from the start. So, by the “Lord”, Ellen G. White meant… Ellen G. White.

This was why Ellen White got so imperious in her latter years. She’d gone from a frail, sickly, nervous girl with a crippling brain injury to someone who demanded obedience, and was enraged when it was not forthcoming. And If she was inventing visions and writing declarations as “thus sayeth the Lord”, then subconsciously she had adopted a new Lord. Not Jesus Christ, but…

….Ellen G. White.

no wonder she would get so angry over any disobedience. Wasn’t she the Lord? God obviously needed her, now that she’d demoted Jesus Christ from God incarnate to mere Archangel!

Think about all this. Tomorrow, we”re going to start answering some of her claims and writings.

Seventh Day Adventism Answered 1

This is one I’d promised a friend I’d get to this year. I regret that I’ve put it off so long, but i had a long list of subjects to deal with prior to this.

I want to say this at the outset – no denomination of Christianity should conceal what they really believe. Warning bells should go off whenever you’re taught ANYTHING that you’re told, “well, this is in house stuff, nobody else outside would understand this…”

that’s a tactic Calvinists do, and I’ve called them out on it before.

SDA do this as well.

Christians should not lie.

withholding what you really believe until someone is inside the cult is a major hallmark of the cult. Kind of like Freemasonry.

Should a Christian denomination lie to sinners to get them saved?


Does the SDA leave out ANYTHING when making their appeals to Christians? Oh, yes they do.

Deny it, I dare you. Here’s some of my proof: Do you tell candidates for baptism that SDA teaches salvation by works? No? Do you tel them what you mean by the gift of prophecy? You know, baptismal question #8? Do you tell them up front that you mean Ellen G. Harmon White?

Do you tell them that most early SDA figures denied the trinity? Do you tell people up front that when you talk about Jesus Christ you really mean the archangel Michael?

do you tell candidates that much of the early Charles Taze Russell doctrine was taken from Seventh Day Adventism? I know this irritates Jehovah’s witnesses when I say this, but I’ve quoted SDA sources on the Charles Taze Russell matter, and they agree he got his doctrines from an SDA teacher (he identified himself as Adventist, but they agree his doctrine lined up with SDA teachings, except he had no position on Ellen G. White).

Here’s my question… why not?

The whole “lie to an unsaved person” philosophy of the Jehovah’s witnesses were lifted from the SDA as well.

What about all these websites and seminars claiming to teach the key to understanding Revelation? Do you tell people up front, “Hey folks, we’re here from the Seventh Day Adventist church, and we believe that keeping a Sunday Sabbath is the number of the beast.”

I’m going to tell you right off the bat that much information I’m using is taken directly from ex-SDA sources. So, you can’t claim I’m lying or making things up (a common tactic of people disagreeing with me lately, I’ve noticed!).

It won’t take long for all readers of this blog to finally answer the question – “Is the Seventh Day Adventists Christians?” The answer, as you’ll see, is a resounding “no”.

If we reject the Jehovah’s Witnesses for teachings of soul sleep, “Jesus is archangel Michael”, extra-biblical writings held in higher authority than the Bible, enigmatic apocalyptic teachings, and etc… then we have to reject the source of this as well – the SDA.

We start tomorrow.