Seventh Day Adventists answered – The Sabbath (continued)


so… according to the SD…A and Ellen G. White (and correct me if I’m wrong)… the Sabbath is forever. Right?

First question…. and someone please enlighten me! But the SDA originally taught that the Seventh Day Sabbath was from 6 pm to 6 pm. So… WHICH 6 pm? Locally? Jerusalem? Understand that time zones are an estimate. So, it would be 6 pm in Jerusalem. But one Longitudinal minute later, it would still be 6 pm… but the earth rotated one minute. In other words, in reality, in that very spot BEFORE, it is in actuality on a sundial… 5:59. And two longitudinal minutes later it would be 6:02. Right?

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:5 (KJV)

Biblically, the Sabbath was measured from sundown to sundown.

32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath. Leviticus 23:32 (KJV)

The day of atonement (Yom Kippur in Hebrew) is a Sabbath. And… it’s measured from sundown to sundown. Yet for many years, Ellen G. White taught it was to be kept from 6 pm to 6 pm. Then, suddenly she changed it to the correct way. Thus sayeth the Lord. When she was asked by very concerned SDA followers to reconcile the two very different “thus sayeth the Lord’s” she promised that it would be made clear in a soon coming vision. Apparently, still forthcoming. I hesitate to say it, but probably don’t wait around for the vision.

Okay, next question… You’re not allowed to buy or sell on the sabbath, carry things out of your house, carry a burden in or out, or light a fire, right?

Turn on any lights on the Sabbath? That often creates a spark, very small. It’s… a fire.

Start your car? That’s a fire. internal combustion, right?

So… what’s the penalty for breaking the Sabbath? In old Israel, it’s death, right?

What is it now???

Where in the Bible are Gentiles commanded to keep the Sabbath? It’s only for Israel, right? That’s the Jews. Not Gentiles.

Last question…. the rest of the law of Moses was put away, right? Nailed to the cross, right? So… what about the Sabbath?

All the other 9 of the 10 commandments areĀ  repeated in the New Testament epistles, right? So… if the Sabbath is to be kept by Christians, why is it the only one not repeated?

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Redeeming the Time


16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; Ephesians 5:16-20 (KJV)

Christians,

This is the time. Seriously. I am becoming more and more convinced that the Rapture of the Christians is nearing. Many of you have blogs… this is the time to get serious about this.

Contend earnestly for the faith. Witness to the lost. Try to reach those who call themselves Christians, whose entire claim for a hope in Heaven but who actually claim nothing but a wet forehead as a baby. Try to reach those who think they are a god, and can speak things into existence. Try to reach those who believe that the Watchtower Society is God’s faithful servant on this earth. Try to reach those who believe that Joseph Smith was visited by an Angel who used to be a man named Moroni. Try to reach those who believe they have to keep the laws of Moses to be saved. Try to reach those who think “the Sunday Sabbath is the number of the beast”. Try to reach those who think Hinduism is the way. Who think their Buddhist faith will get them reborn if they redeem enough karma points. Try to reach those who think the vibration of cosmic crystals will allow them to ascend into a higher order of sentient being. Try to reach those who think, “My whole family is Baptist, so I guess I go to heaven too…”

You’re going to get arguments. You’re going to offend many. You’re going to risk a lot of heartache just to finally reach one person – but that one person will avoid Hell forever, and that’s the point.

And you may be planting a seed for when (after we disappear) they may wake up and realize, “This was real, and I just missed it.”

But if you do nothing… they all are lost. Condemned.

Redeem the time, for the days are evil.

Campbellites Answered 4


Ever hear these names?

  • Sidney Rigdon
  • Parley Pratt
  • Oliver Crowdery
  • Orson Hyde
  • Lyman Wight
  • Edward Partridge
  • John Corril
  • Isaac Morely
  • John Murdock

No?

They’re all early Church of Christ devotees.

Now, the Lord told us, “by their fruits ye will know them.” (Matt. 7:20). If the Cambellites were of God, you’d expect to find a few false converts, because the Bible tells us indeed there would be some.

But all of these men left. All of them. Okay, men become false converts, and leave churches all the time.

All of these men left and became Mormons. If you recognize the names Sidney Rigdon and Orson Pratt, and Oliver Cowdery, you’ll recognize these were Original Witnesses, the men who supposedly saw the golden plates and the angel. Well, their stories changed a lot, so I can’t say for sure.

According to Faith Defenders – and I have no reasons to doubt its veracity – Sidney Rigdon taught the concept of the “restoration” doctrine to Joseph Smith, who borrowed it and improved on it. Except it’s no longer Alexander Campbell who’s the chosen Restorer of God, but instead…. Joseph Smith.

This also explains why the Mormons place a high emphasis upon Baptism, but wrapping the cultic “Baptism of the Dead” concept into it, making it even more weird and cultlike than it is with Campbellites.

It got so bad that Campbell denounced the Mormons as “Satan’s Counterfeit of the Church of Christ.” Which really is bizarre, as the “church of Christ” is in itself Satan’s counterfeit of Christianity.

Now, let’s look at the “Restoration” doctrine. Basically, what this is is the same thing advocated by dozens of cults. The basic premise is – God’s “church” has disappeared. Lost. And one chosen person, a new “messiah” is selected to “restore” it, deliver it.

Like Joseph Smith.

Alexander Campbell

John Dowie

Frank Sandford.

Charles Taze Russell

Ellen G. White

Sung Myun Moon

David Koresh

Marshall Applewhite

Messianic Jews

Michael Rood

The names change, but the doctrines are the same. The “church” supposedly failed, disappeared, lost.

Some special guy has the responsibility, the quest, to retrieve it. To rebuild it, to restore it.

And usually, along with that, the plain sense reading of the Bible that everyone else does, isn’t good enough. Why, there’s some special doctrine that this person alone has found, that is a requirement to salvation.

So, for one thousand eight hundred years, men have been reading the Bible, and never noticed this?

If it’s not cultic, and I’m wrong… well, I was baptized in obedience to the Gospel of Jesus Christ at my Baptist church. That’s good enough, right?

Oh, no – it has to be done at a Campbellite church.

So… how were men saved for almost two thousand years, then?

Sad, really, all those men who died for Christianity, burned alive by Catholics – but they weren’t saved. Like Balthazar Hubmeier, whose very story would have you praising God for such a brave man who risked everything and paid it all. Well, he wasn’t baptized by a Campbellite, so he’s not saved.

Martin Luther… not baptized by a Campbellite.

Neither was Charles Spurgeon.

Nor Matthew Henry.

Matter of fact, so many legendary names, great Bible teachers, men who’ve risked their very lives for the Gospel, or spent their lives preaching, teaching, at the very cost of their health. I’m sure Spurgeon’s death was hastened by his overwhelming work load.

But none of them were Baptized by Campbellites, so any Church of Christ person would have to tell you they weren’t saved. Amazing.

Okay, so, by their fruits will ye know them. Let’s look at all the GREAT Bible teachers who’ve emerged from the Campbellites, whose commentaries have enriched Christians and furthered our knowledge of Bible and doctrine since they came out in the early 19th century.

Wow, that’s an impressive list. None.

The problem with cults, is that you have to put on some kind of rose colored glasses to see the Bible with their eyes. And once you do that, it makes it nearly impossible to write a commentary. Because now you’ve got to explain away all the verses that completely contradict your heresies. And in most cases, the word of God triumphs over cultism.

What’s the big conflict with the Campbell heresies? They disparage the Cross of Christ. The death of Jesus is not enough according to their doctrine. They have to help. So, Jesus Christ is not enough for the Campbellite.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. John 19:30 (KJV)

The bible says that our salvation is accomplished at the Cross of Christ. No mention is made of the baptismal.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18 (KJV)

The Bible says that the churches of Jesus Christ will never be destroyed, that hell will not prevail.

Didn’t any of these Campbellites read their Bibles? Didn’t any of them immediately think when hearing this nonsense that the bible teaches something different?

If you really want to watch a TV show about Christians, sure, okay. But keep in mind that reality TV is not going to give you anything more than the Duggars, and the only thing that keeps them on TV is the fact there’s so many of them.

But the Duck Dynasty people are Campbellites, not Christians. Christians believe Jesus paid it all.

I may revisit the Church of Christ again in the future. Stay tuned.

Prevailing Attitudes


At the turn of the 20th Century, Christianity was in a much better, stronger position than now. Over a century ago, Christians everywhere understood – for the most part – that if your soteriology is wrong, you’re going to Hell.

Soteriology, for those who do not know, is the doctrines of salvation. It’s simple ,really. If you don’t teach people how to get saved, they won’t know. Most people won’t open their Bible, although I’ll say a century ago more people were conversant with the Bible than anywhere else. Over a century ago, if you wanted your children saved, you simply could open the family Bible to John chapter three, and walk away. Sooner or later, they’d see it and read, and get saved, I’ve read of exactly one occasion where a future foreign missionary was saved in exactly that way.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Revelation 3:14-22 (KJV)

The point here being, as this dispensation entered its last era, for the most part, Christianity was adept at at least one thing – they understood how to be saved.

They were blind to one thing, though – the doctrine of separation. Oh, sure, they understood once they got saved to avoid entangling themselves in the things of the world – but they simply trusted blindly all those who name the name of Christ. Methodists trusted Presbyterians, who trusted Baptists, who trusted Lutherans, who trusted….

The one thing they were GOOD at, was noticing when a new group popped up, if they had aberrant doctrine. They WOULD practice separation from those. When Mormons popped up 72 years before that, they immediately understood this was a cult, and that Joseph Smith was a false teacher. Ever read Sherlock Holmes? If you had the collections, you should remember the story where Holmes dismissed the Mormons as a cult, and referred to them as “Jack Mormons from Utah.” Certainly the creator of Sherlock Holmes was not in any way saved, as he was so caught up in Theosophy, witchcraft and every mystic practice he could get his hands on – but even he recognized that Mormons were a cult.

Today, we rush to embrace them.

When the Jehovah’s Witnesses emerged as the Bible Students, Christians everywhere dismissed them as a cult.

Were that we were so wise today.

They, a century ago, were willing to engage in open debates – which people flocked to – with the Church of Christ, who they dubbed “Campbellites”.

Today we can buy t-shirts with the bearded faces of a family of Campbellites, simply because they’re tv stars who publicly stand for the name of Jesus.

It’s a different Jesus, but we don’t care. Hey, I’ve met someone who’s name is Jesus. It’s pronounced Hey-soos in his language, but hey, he’s a Jesus! He’s not the Jesus of the bible. But neither is the Jesus of the Mormons, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Roman Catholics, or the Campbellites.

Where did they fail a hundred years ago? Simple. They trusted everyone who named the name of Christ.

Point one: We must recognize that not everyone who names the name of Christ is a Christian. If their doctrine does not conform to the Bible in the aspects of salvation, the deity of Christ and the Trinity, then they’re not Christians. They’re probably not saved.

Point Two: We must understand that in the last days heretics and false teachers would DOMINATE Christianity. If you haven’t been paying attention, we’re pretty close to the time of the Rapture. That means of course we’re in the seventh age of Grace, the Laodecian era. That means that obviously then, Christianity is FLOODED with false teachers.

Point Three: If any denomination teaches any other method of salvation other than what is presented in the Bible, they are to be dismissed as a heretic. I don’t care how much you may like them. I can think of some Atheists who are pretty nice guys. But I think we all agree that “ye must be born again”. If anyone teaches any other method for salvation than “ye must be born again”, they’re a heretic.

Why is my blog only one of a very few decrying Messianic Jews? Why is my blog only one of a few calling the Duck Dynasty show a group of heretics?

One Century ago, most Christians understood that Roman Catholics needed to be saved. Lo and behold some Baptist preachers arose who called Catholics “Christians” out of some form of sentimentality, and we fell apart.

Point four: It doesn’t matter what I think. It doesn’t matter what I want to believe or what I choose to believe. If I am saved, then Jesus Christ is my Lord. He says, I do. Bottom line.

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s. 1 Corinthians 6:20 (KJV)

23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 1 Corinthians 7:23 (KJV)

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1 (KJV)

It’s hard, I know. I would love to be a lovey-dovey-accept everyone Christian. I would love to wallow in Ecumenism, just accept everyone who writes a book or has a tv show about Christianity. But the Bible tells me otherwise. Paul admonishes us otherwise. Peter and John teach us differently. Jesus Christ commands us otherwise.

It’s a fact, that the Lord chooses to reward us for obedience – when we don’t even deserve to be saved in the first place. Rewards ONLY come when you’re doing what the Lord requires.

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 2 Timothy 3:13-14 (KJV)

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Timothy 3:1-5 (KJV)

If anyone teaches any manner besides “ye must be born again”, they are a heretic. Reject them. “From such, turn away.” If they deny the deity of Christ, Reject them. “From such, turn away.” If they claim to believe in the deity of Christ but deny the virgin birth, they’re liars. You cannot say you believe Jesus is God and yet deny the virgin birth. Reject them. “From such, turn away.” If they preach salvation by works, they deny the cross of Christ. Reject them. “From such, turn away.” If they deny the Trinity, they are heretics. Reject them. “From such, turn away.” If they deny salvation by faith through grace, they deny the cross of Christ. Reject them. “From such, turn away.”

If you agree with the above, then you must reject:

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

C. S . Lewis

the “duck Dynasty”

Sid Roth

Kenneth Copeland

Kenneth Hagin

Benny Hinn

Charles Taze Russell

E. W. Kenyon

Joyce Meyers

James Trimm

Batya Wooten

David Stern of the Jewish New Testament

Angus Wooten

Joseph Smith

William Branham

Ellen G. White

F. F. Bosworth

Frederick K. C. Price

Avi Ben Mordecai

and many many others.

Seventh Day Adventism Answered 20


Some random questions for any member of the SDA…

What authority gave Ellen G. White the authority to lead the SDA church? Why did no one object to her assuming control?

Does the SDA church deny today that they teach that Jesus is the archangel Michael?

Do they deny that they are indeed the authors of the Jehovah’s Witnesses heresies?

there are major errors associated with the SDA’s. So many in fact that they conflicgt with orthodox christian doctrines in areas of theology, christology, pneumatology, soteriology, hamartiology, angelology…. almost every area of doctrine.

I would submit that the differences remain so great that the SDA cannot be considered Christian, but rather a pagan religion or a cult. Loosely organized and poorly controlled, but still a cult.

What test prophecy did Ellen G. White give before the Adventists accepted her as a prophet?

Error led to the SDa accepting Ellen G as a prophet, this in turn led to accepting a host of doctrinal errors.

SDA denies today that they originally did not believe Jesus is God.

Ellen G. White accepted the Trinity, but her husband James White did not.

Is this not a conflict? If she truly was a prophet of God as James White taught others, then would he not have simply accepted what she taught on this issue?

And is this not a conflict that she claimed (in violation of Scripture) to speak with him and be guided by him after he died? We know that any who deny the Trinity will not inherit the kingdom of God. So, either she was a false prophet from the start, as I have maintained from the start, or the James white manifestation was a demon. In that latter case, the writings of Ellen G. White cannot be the equal of Scripture, nor can they complete them as the SDA maintain.

At what point was she misled by a demonic apparition? If she was a prophet, why did she not realize he was a demon?

Why would she speak to the dead, when if she was a prophet she would have known that this was forbidden by Scripture?

If she was mistaken, she cannot be a prophet. If she was lying, she cannot be a prophet. If she was misled, she cannot be a prophet. The only hope for the SDA church now is to deny that the spirit of James White came to Ellen G. White after his death and descent into Hell, and claim the stories were forged. In which case we would have a different problem then – which of her writings are authentic and which are forgeries???

doctrinal error leads to doctrinal error. If the seed is corrupt, so too will the fully grown plant from that seed.

If William Miller was wrong right from the start, so too will everything that grew out of it, including the SDA, which doctrinally is as full of error as Miller’s other offspring the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Seventh Day Adventism Answered 19


Let me briefly discuss the “remnant church” doctrine of the SDA before we go much further and address the failed prophecies.

The position of the SDA cult is that they are the remnant church.

That’s it. If you’re not part of the SDA, you’re not part of the Remnant Church.

So literally, when they read the Bible, and they see anything discussing the Remnant, they somehow think that is talking about them and them alone.

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. Romans 9:27-29 (KJV)

See, they think that means them. I’m guessing. I’m really not seeing any other remnant besides

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:21 (KJV)

But I’m pretty sure they don’t puff their chests and say, “Why, that’s ME!!!”

13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid. Zephaniah 3:13 (KJV)

There’s our clue. Let’s look at Romans 9 again. Some of you should remember when I did a chapter by chapter breakdown (it was very light, designed to show plain, simple sense readings of Romans…) that I addressed who Romans 9-11 was talking to…

These chapters are talking about Israel. Right? Right.

1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 9:1-5 (KJV)

Well, it’s talking about Paul’s kinsmen. That would be the Jews.

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. Romans 9:22-25 (KJV)

It mentions it’s talking about the Jews. It mentions that most of them don’t believe. Surely the SDA can’t be appropriating that.

Now, let’s make some conclusions. If the SDA is claiming they are thet “remnant church”, then we have issues. Because what does remnant mean? “That which is left over.”

It’s fitting far more into an eschatological (read: End Times) position than it is into a soteriologiccal position (read: Saved or not) – but the two go hand in hand.

Because the Bible clearly portrays the Remnant as a believing remnant. So, if I’m wrong and this is not talking about the Jews (even though it says it is…) then it’s talking about a believing remnant in the midst of others who are unbelieving.

Let me know if that logic passes you by… it’s one or the other.

So, in effect, the SDA is claiming that if they’re the :remnant church”, a phrase I can’t seem to find in my Bible, then they are the believing ones, and the rest of us (you and I) are the unbelieving. how can I say that? Well, it was actually pretty easy. If you’re separating the Remnant doctrine away from the Jewish people where its sense is readily apparent… then we have an allegorical approach where its sense must be determined among a hypothetical Universal church.

Okay, this is one of my little bugaboos. I hear Christians all the time talk about a Universal Church. “God needs to send revival to the Church!” Well, there’s only one verse in Ephesians where you can stretch the concept of a church into a Universal construct. All other verses in the Bible referring to a church are referring to a local entity. Remember, a sound exegetical principle is that we do not derive doctrine from a single verse. Anyone wanting to look up that rule please note it is called the Hapak rule (from the koine Greek for “Once”).

The correct Biblical phrase for a universal body of believers is “The kingdom of God” or “The Kingdom of Heaven”, not “the Church” – although I realize that means just about all of you instantly disagreed with me. It’s okay, I’m not THAT picky about it. I’m not alone in this insistence – David Cloud makes this same distinction in his writings, and almost nobody complains about him. Almost.

Getting back to the SDA, this conclusion now has HUGE implications, putting them once and for all into the Cult definition, the one we looked at in our second article on the SDA… This puts them into True Church-ism. The single quickest way to identify a cult is to see if they claim to be the One True Church. The Jehovah’s Witnesses claim it, and we call them a cult. The Mormons claim it, and until one ran for President as a Republican, Christians considered them a cult as well (hey if they were a cult before, they should still be a cult now… I mean, Republican is the same thing as Christian, right??? “Ye must be a conservative”, II Opinions 13:13… seriously, if they were a cult before the last election, they’re still a cult).

Here’s some questions for the SDA – can I be a Baptist and still be saved? What position does the acceptance of Ellen G. White as a prophet have to do with my salvation? Can I be saved and reject her as a false prophet?

If I can’t, what does that mean for everyone born before 1844? What does that mean for everyone who was SDA, baptized into the cult, and began examining her words against the Bible and left, forswearing the SDA?

What about Matthew Henry? Was he saved? He lived before Ellen G. White. What about Alfred Edersheim, whose writings Ellen White plagiarized freely from? What about Martin Luther? John Huss? John Calvin? (I’ll answer about a couple of these and say, I don’t think their testimonies give the evidence of being born again… but this is my questions for the SDA, who place equal weight upon acceptance of Ellen G. White and Baptism into their cult alongside being born Again).

We have problems. Major problems. Cult problems.

Now we need to address salvation by works, which the SDA clearly teaches. As I mentioned in the sentence above, the SDA places equal emphasis on being baptized into their cult.

In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry ofChrist will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent.

This is from their statement of faith, and if you’re used to reading statements of faith and looking for heresies, behold, it is there.

It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom.

This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom.

Ellen White made it clear, although it’s not mentioned much nowadays, if you don’t keep vegetarian, you’re going to Hell. She made it clear if you don’t keep the Sabbath, you’re going to Hell. Remember, their definition of remaining loyal to God means Keeping the Sabbath – which they themselves do not do! Yet we have testimony that she ate meat and shellfish, and I addressed Sabbath Keeping and the SDA and made it pretty clear, that they do not keep the Sabbath at all…

I think, to me, it’s pretty clear – they teach Salvation by works. They have fulfilled EVERY ONE of the hallmarks of cultism that I showed back in article 2…

  1. Are they teaching Biblical doctrine, or heretical? heretical
  2. Are they preaching the Gospel, or another Gospel? Another gospel.
  3. Is their Jesus the Jesus of the Bible, or a different Jesus? Different Jesus.
  4. Do they rely solely on the word of God, or upon extra-Biblical writings? upon Ellen G. White’s plagiarized writings
  5. Do they derive their doctrines solely from the word of God, or do the teachings of the organization/denomination/cult have equal weight to the Bible? Equal weight.
  6. Is there a central figure or group they owe a personal allegiance to? Ellen G. White
  7. Do they regard their cult/denomination/group as the only true church? Yes
  8. Do they add required actions or works to assist as a means of salvation? Baptism, Sabbath Keeping, Vegetarianism

These are major problems. A different Gospel is a different Jesus, and a different Jesus cannot save. It’s not my quote, it belongs to another Baptist, but I find it so fitting when dealing with cults.

Lastly, we look at the issue of false prophecy. According to the Bible, if a prophet is wrong once, just once, they are a false prophet.

In 1862, Moses Hull was discouraged and planning to leave the SDA. The words of Ellen G. White to him were…

If you proceed in the way you have started, misery and woe are before you. God’s hand will arrest you in a manner that will not suit you. His wrath will not slumber” (“Testimonies for the Church,” Vol. I., pp. 430, 431).

Needless to say, Moses Hull lived to a ripe old age.

The Civil War of 1861-65 placed Seventh-day Adventists in a trying position. They could not engage in war and keep the Sabbath. The draft threatened them. Now, what? I was one of them, twenty years old – the right age to go to war. So I remember it all distinctly. Something had to be done. We hoped Mrs. White would have a revelation. And she did have – several of them, covering thirty pages of printed matter in Volume I. Of “Testimonies for the Church.” At the time, we read these revelations with great anxiety, hoping for light ahead. We were disappointed. They simply told just what everybody already knew, reflecting the sentiments of those opposed to the Government and the war. (D. M. Canwright, LIfe of Ellen G. White Her Claims Refuted, pg. 49)

On Jan. 4, 1862, Ellen G. White received a divine vision, and committed these words to paper, and doubtless years later was to regret it. She claimed that slavery would continue past the civil war, and another war would be needed to fix the problem once for all. She claimed that the war was started by the North not to abolish slavery, but to preserve it.

That’s the most stupid, illogical statement I’ve ever heard. The South was against the abolition of slavery. If the North was against the abolition of slavery, then the south would have inquired, “Then why are we fighting???”

If the war was fought to prevent the abolition of slavery by the north, then.. why did Lincoln (who White bitterly criticized, castigating him in one vision after another) utter the Emancipation Proclamation, setting free the slaves?

How many Adventists are aware that Ellen G. White prophesied that America would be so embroiled in the war, that Britain would be forced to enter the war to end it, and would humble America?

Well, that never happened.

Elder Bates, the same person who’s influence caused the SDA to worship on the seventh day, even wrote a list based on this vision, of the countries that would enter the war, including “…Prussia, Hanover, Sardinia, Sicily, Naples, Venice, Lombardy, Tuscany, Rome, Austria,…” which of course, some of these are small cities, and not liable to be involved in a war. Why not just say “Italy, Germany, and Prussia?”

Needless to say, this never happened.

Ellen G. White predicted famine and pestilence before the end of the Civil War. If by pestilence she meant cannon shot and bullets, she was right. If on the other hand she meant it in its literal sense, then she was wrong.

so… that never happened.

Supposedly, Ellen G. white was shown a vision of the San Francisco earthquake two days before the earthquake… but didn’t bother telling anyone for several days. Well, I prophecy that on Sept. 11, 2001 two airplanes will crash into the World Trade Center. I have been shown much detail by the angels, and it has taken much time to sort it out…

do you believe it? Everyone’s a prophet of God two or three days after major events. As a matter of fact, I will predict the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963! It will happen in… it looks like Texas…

The point here is, Ellen G. White had to learn the hard way to make her prophecies more generic and absent of specific details and dates. How did she learn this valuable lesson? By being wrong so many times.

How many times does the Bible allow a prophet to be wrong?

Answer – none. You cannot ever be wrong, or you are not a prophet.

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. Deuteronomy 13:1-5 (KJV)

False prophets give false prophecies. False prophets lead people astray. If they’re giving prophecies, visions, dreams, then according to the Bible, they’re lying… or they’re heeding the voice of a devil, according to Deut. 13:5.

That’s a bottom line attitude! The Lord tells us how this is.

According to the Bible, Ellen G. White succumbed to her worse fear, that she would be an apostate, a heretic, a false prophet, a daughter of Beliar. We aren’t really left with any choice. And as I reported a few days ago, the SDa itself used to bear witness her visions were either of Satan or God.

Well, they’re not from God. She spoke “thus sayeth the Lord” by using the words “I was shown…” and many times she spoke or wrote to people saying, “My words are the words of the Lord.”

And she was wrong. According to the Bible passage explaining how to differentiate false prophets from right ones, we see you are allowed ZERO errors. She was wrong about the life of Moses Hull. She was wrong about famine and pestilence during the Civil war. She was wrong about England entering the war. She was wrong about Lincoln, the war and slavery. There was no need for a second war to free slaves.

She was wrong, wrong, wrong. So to fix her image, they tried an elaborate “I was shown the san francisco earthquake but did not have time to write it down…” ruse. If this was true, I’m sure Ellen could have simply summoned a news reporter, given him the basic facts, and then written it in detail days later.

If it is true, by callous indifference, Ellen G. White is guilty of the blood of every person maimed or killed in the earthquake and the resulting fire that massacred many. I think we all know and agree she simply tried to take credit for it days later, similar to her first vision who she plagiarized from the very man she would tell the vision to the following day!

So, let’s look at the most embarrassing doctrine of the SDA.

The Shut door of mercy.

This is one that the SDA has had problems with. They ended up having to delete a lot of paragraphs from Ellen G. White’s writings, but they’ve left a few in by accident.

the doctrine teaches that as of 1844, the door of mercy was shut.

That means no SDA today has been forgiven of sins. Which is no surprise, as Ellen G. White has written that all our sins, even the ones from before we were born again, would be brought up again in judgment. Which means the SDA teaches our sins are not forgiven by grace through faith.

Every SDA owes it to themselves to track down and get copies of all of Ellen G. White’s original works. They are readily available, and can be had by anyone – It’s kind of like trying to find Joseph Smith’s early writings – it’ll take a few days of searching, but they’re out there. Or back issues of the Watchtower Society and Awake! All readily available – and immediately embarrassing to those cults as well.

Elder J.N. Loughborough, in his book, “The Great Second Advent Movement,” page 263, edition 1905, desired to give Elder Joseph Bates’ testimony concerning Mrs. White’s work, as given on page 21 of “A Word to the Little Flock,” printed in 1847. The following illustrates the manner in which he uses the material from this early publication. He quotes: “I believe the work [of Mrs. White] is of God, and is given to comfort and strengthen his scattered, torn and peeled people, since the closing up of our work. . . in October, 1844.”

Note those three little dots? They mean that something was left out of the passage quoted. What was it? Just THREE SHORT WORDS. We will insert those words omitted from the lines quoted and indicate them [in uppercase letters]. Here they are: “since the closing up of our work FOR THE WORLD in October, 1844.” These three words reveal the fact that Bates and Elder White, who published the tract in 1847, believed that their work for the world closed up in October, 1844.

Elder Loughborough wished to use these lines and yet hide this fact regarding the belief of these early leaders. To accomplish it he omitted – suppressed – just three words, and placed three dots in their place in his quotation! He did not do this to save space in a large work of six hundred pages. He did it to hide, conceal and suppress a doctrine which he well knew Bates and Elder and Mrs. White all believed and taught in 1847. It is a deliberate deception, too plain to be denied. It shows how willing he was to falsify in order to shield Mrs. White and the pioneers in this movement who adhered to her and proclaimed her a prophet. (The Life of Ellen G. White – her claims refuted by D. W. Canwright pg. 35)”The excitements and false reformations of this day do not move us, for we know that the Master of the house rose up in 1844, and shut the door of the first apartment of the heavenly tabernacle; and now we certainly expect that they will go with their flocks to seek the Lord; but they shall not find him; he hath withdrawn himself (within the second veil) from them. The Lord has shown me that the power that is with them is a mere human influence and not the power of God.” (Ellen G. White, Present Truth – note – there were only eleven copies of Present Truth printed, and this is edited heavily in her “Early Writings” book)

Bottom line – Ellen G. White wrote and believed that if you came to the Lord after 1844, it was far too late. However, by 1864, she’d begun to realize that Armageddon was a little delayed, and so quietly put that doctrine away, although you can still see little references to them here and there in the Great Controversy.

If you believe she’s a prophet, she’s in effect saying there’s no hope for you. You weren’t saved before 1844.

Here ends my writings on THE most distasteful cult I ave examined, even above Mormonism. My impressions of the Jehovah’s witnesses were that they were duped by a drug addled liar, and then manipulated by a lawyer with no ethics and that they still are blind.

My opinions of the Mormons are that they are all generically decent people, sincere but caught up in a cult of disastrous proportions.

My opinions of Roman Catholics is that they’ve been lied to and duped by an evil system.

But the overall impressions I’ve gotten of the SDA is that of sheer, unadulterated, unfiltered evil. I have to stop, as we get close to the celebration of the birth of our saviour, as I cannot bear to write about this cult in such a close proximity to His birth day.

So, I stop here. I may address it further in the future, but for now I’m stopping.

If you’re SDA, you need to do some serious praying, and reading of your King James Bible to find out what the truth is. Get out of this cult, while you still can.

Seventh Day Adventism Answered 18


So far we’ve answered a great deal on SDA…

  • the state of the dead
  • annhilationism
  • the sabbath
  • the covenant of the law and law keeping
  • is the Sabbath for Christians
  • the source of Ellen G. White’s “visions”
  • the real sources of her books
  • the investigative judgment

I write all this out so I can keep track. I know everyone skips past it, but I felt like when I had these lists, I had better direction over my expose’s.

Let’s talk about vegetarianism.

How can SDA possibly read the Bible and still feel a need to eat vegetarian?

Answer – if they have to choose between Ellen G. White and the Bible, they choose Ellen G. White.

Better hope she can save your soul, because you can’t be saved and make that kind of choice!

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:1-5 (KJV)

Okay, how does the SDA reconcile this?

The Bible is specific, that any who forbid the eating of meats in the last days is a seducing spirit teaching doctrines of devils!

so… why? Why do they do it?

The SDA is constantly pushing the supposed health benefits of a vegan lifestyle, and are attracting vegan people to their cult. how much truth there is to these claims can be debated. I’d get into this debate, but I’m limiting this to Scriptural reasons.

Ellen G. White ordered the cessation of eating meats to prevent “solitary vice”, according to is it so?

From “An appeal to Mothers” by Ellen G. White…

“We noticed bad diet as a cause of unchastity. By bad diet we mean the use of food and drinks of bad qualities and unreasonable quantities. (p. 5) A diet chiefly or wholly vegetable, is evidently best adapted to allay passionate excitement. Flesh meat diet is more stimulating than vegetable. Consequently it is plain that all those who suffer from too high venereal excitement, should abandon it (meat) … When children shall be taught correct habits of diet, much, very much, Will be done toward the removal of secret vice and other species of unchastity from society. (p. 9) Mince pies, cakes, preserves, and highly seasoned meats, with gravies, create a feverish condition in the system, and inflame the animal passions. . . We should encourage in our children a love for nobleness of mind, and a pure, virtuous character. In order to strengthen in them the moral perceptions, . . . we must regulate the manner of our living, dispense with animal foods, and use grains, vegetables and fruits, as articles of diet. (p. 15)

“Sip no more the beverage of China; no more the drinks of java; what shall you drink at your meals? … I say, nothing is best; yet cocoa, chocolate, or warm water seasoned, or bread coffee, rice coffee . . . will be good substitutes as they do not inflame.”

“For a similar reason, meats, mustards, condiments, peppers, spices, rich foods, gravies, everything heating and irritating, will only add to existing inflammation, and increase both desire and disease … Some kinds of food, as already specified, excite amorous desires; while others, as rice, bread, fruit, vegetables do not; and may therefore be eaten.”

“As to suppers, I recommend none at all….”

If you wish to study this further, by all means, visit other websites. This is as far as I will discuss this topic. Let’s just say that there is no biblical reason given to refrain from eating meat. It has NOTHING to do with how we were in Eden. It has nothing to do with how we may possibly eat after we enter the kingdom of God forever. It has to do with Ellen G. White’s bizarre imagination. I eliminated a large quote section, as I think this is improper to discuss this, even in quoting her writings.

How many SDA are eliminating coffee and tea from their diets? How many avoid cake? How many confine themselves to breakfast and lunch alone? I can tell you Ellen G. White did not. She continued eating meat and shellfish long forbidding it. Apparently, the rules didn’t apply to her.

how many of you still believe Ellen G. White after what I’ve written over 20 days or so?

How many of you still think that she is a prophet?

That’s about to end, because tomorrow – my last planned article on the SDA, as unpleasant as it has been, is going to discuss what a prophet is and is not… and we’ll be looking at some of her prophecies.