Painting yourself in a corner


I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again… when your entire stated reason for questioning Christianity is based upon paintings that may or may not have been done by Christians, you’re on some really shaky ground.

Let me be even more plain…. when you state your reason for not believing in Christianity is based upon conclusions inferred from a painting… You’re establishing a pretext for not wanting to be saved.

Here’s the real reason you don’t want to be saved… you personally are convicted by the knowledge that you’re a sinner. You know there’s going to be a judgment, and you will be judged for your sins. And it means you reject God’s authority to judge you.

So, you choose a pretext conclusion to not believe in Christianity, and choose some religion that historically did not survive. You then choose your own rules for how to celebrate that religion, and your rules for conduct. Oh, and you choose some mock name to celebrate your own false version of that false religion. Did i leave something out?

The whole thing is false. And it’s a farce, as well.

Now there’s some guy out there claiming that some painting of a Borgia family member is the source of all paintings of Jesus, and thus, he never existed.

That’s so full holes I think I could strain spaghetti with it. So, if I can establish that a painting is copied from Bob Ross’s TV show, that Bob Ross never existed?

Okay, let’s trace the history of paintings of Jesus.  Historically, paintings of Jesus Christ all depicted for about 700 years, a blond, blue-eyed Jesus with short hair – someone who looked typically Anglo or French. This was done by Roman Catholic painters. Good so far?

Then, suddenly, around 700 AD to 850 AD, somewhere in that area, they suddenly began to depict a bearded, long haired Jesus with a forked beard, and his hair divided in the middle, owl-like eyes, and a number of artistic flaws that artists simply wouldn’t place in a painting.

The current research on this suggests that it comes from the Mandylion, (also called the image of Edessa)an image of the head of someone allegedly Jesus Christ. And many now are claiming that the Mandylion is actually the Shroud of Turin, folded to show only the face.

I don’t know who the image is of, I don’t know what the Shroud of Turin is. I’ve heard evidence both for it and against it. I’m just going to say…

Duh. The Borgia’s lived long after this time.

You can claim what you want… I mean, we still have freedom of speech for at least another week or two, I think, so, claim what you like. But you’re going to be VERY hard pressed to answer when someone like Josh McDowell meets you in debate, and starts bringing up the words of Romans who lived in the time of Jesus Christ, and whose writings mention him, like Suetonius.

the evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ is so well established, that historians (reputable ones, not the amateurs) don’t question it. To do so is to destroy your credibility. An afternoon of research can confirm it beyond a shadow of a doubt. The people who say, “I’ve searched for YEARS and still haven’t found any proof Jesus existed…” have never learned how to research (warning – it may require opening a book or two…) and again – have a pretext for not wanting to find the truth.

Well, here’s a new research tool. When all the Christians vanish off the face of the earth, that’s the Rapture. There should be a peace treaty at some point after that. Circle that date on your calendar, and add seven years. Look up in the sky exactly seven years after that moment. You’ll see Jesus Christ. And shortly after that, you’re going to meet Him.

And He’s going to ask you some very uncomfortable questions about what you taught, based upon Priorii arguments about speculative artistic pieces.

Redeeming the Time


16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; Ephesians 5:16-20 (KJV)

Christians,

This is the time. Seriously. I am becoming more and more convinced that the Rapture of the Christians is nearing. Many of you have blogs… this is the time to get serious about this.

Contend earnestly for the faith. Witness to the lost. Try to reach those who call themselves Christians, whose entire claim for a hope in Heaven but who actually claim nothing but a wet forehead as a baby. Try to reach those who think they are a god, and can speak things into existence. Try to reach those who believe that the Watchtower Society is God’s faithful servant on this earth. Try to reach those who believe that Joseph Smith was visited by an Angel who used to be a man named Moroni. Try to reach those who believe they have to keep the laws of Moses to be saved. Try to reach those who think “the Sunday Sabbath is the number of the beast”. Try to reach those who think Hinduism is the way. Who think their Buddhist faith will get them reborn if they redeem enough karma points. Try to reach those who think the vibration of cosmic crystals will allow them to ascend into a higher order of sentient being. Try to reach those who think, “My whole family is Baptist, so I guess I go to heaven too…”

You’re going to get arguments. You’re going to offend many. You’re going to risk a lot of heartache just to finally reach one person – but that one person will avoid Hell forever, and that’s the point.

And you may be planting a seed for when (after we disappear) they may wake up and realize, “This was real, and I just missed it.”

But if you do nothing… they all are lost. Condemned.

Redeem the time, for the days are evil.

Proofs of Christianity 18


“Christianity may be defined as a Euro-Gentile, psycho-philisophical vehicle of spiritual and intellectual enslavement which has as its end three things .the first thing it has as its end is the cultural and racial superiority of the people who created it.”

We’re resuming our answering of Dr. Ray Hagins. Let me start by sating if you’re expecting me to research whether Dr. Hagin’s doctorate is valid or not, the answer is no. I’m here to answer the message, not to attack the man. I have enough pity for him, because I’m very afraid that unless the Lord does a miracle and softens this man’s heart, Dr. Hagins is in for a world of hurt at the end of this age, when the unbelieving are cast into the lake of fire for all eternity. Whether his doctorate is valid or not has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. Even if someone were to prove to me that he didn’t have one, I’m ready to credit him as having one if he at least spent 1,200 hours in the study of the Bible. okay, moving on.

Did anyone spot the first two errors in his statement? we’re at 13:17 in the video from 2 days ago. There’s already so many errors and fallacies in his arguments that I could easily go months analyzing his seminar and tearing it apart. I will say that I am offended by the disdain and sarcasm in his voice as he speaks of our Saviour.

Error number 1: Dr. Hagins assumes that the Gospel was invented by Gentiles. Well, Jesus Christ is not a Gentile. He is Jewish. Next, the 12 apostles (Judas included) were all Jewish. Paul was Jewish. James and Jude were Jewish. Luke is believed to have been a convert to Judaism, and therefore is Jewish. Mark was Jewish. None of them were Gentile.

Error number 2: Dr. Hagins assumes Christianity to have been created. It was not. It is the recording of facts concerning Jesus Christ being the Messiah of the Jews, and His efficacious atoning sacrifice for sins.

“The second thing is the paralysis of analysis. C’mon say it with me…. The paralysis of analysis means you don’t think!”

Error number three. Dr. Hagins has tendered an accusation that Christians do not think. They just accept what is told them without thinking critically.

2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Acts 17:2 (KJV)

4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Acts 18:4 (KJV)

19 And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews. Acts 18:19 (KJV)

25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee. Acts 24:25 (KJV)

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. Acts 17:10-12 (KJV)

In reality, Christianity is a religion, a truth, where very often we reason with those who do not accept Jesus Christ. We persuade men, reasoning with them as enjoined in 1 Peter 3:15. The history books relate many examples of those who sought to disprove the Bible and ended up convinced by it, such as Lee Strobel, Josh McDowell, and several influential lawyers and judges, who have written of their explorations of the truth of Christianity.

“the third thing is… the perpetual empowerment… of the agenda intended by it.”

Dr. Hagins now is stating there is an agenda behind Christianity. Again, like his previous two assertions, he has offered nothing in the way of proof there is any validity behind his claims. It is interesting to me that by forcing the audience to repeat his points without giving them time to think about it, he has now overcome any critical objections to the message he is presenting – a slight form of mental manipulation akin to a mild form of hypnosis.

I find it extremely interesting that by using this technique, Dr. Hagins is himself doing what he claims “they” are doing in Christianity.

The horrible thing is, countless people are being led astray by him.

What is the agenda behind Christianity? To state that Christianity has an agenda, one must analyze the entire message of Christianity. There is no governing of populations intended in Christianity – indeed, it goes so far as to state it will be powerless against the world until the return of Jesus Christ. There is nothing in the Bible about a “Superiority” of the white race, as opposed to Mormonism – indeed, the Bible draws only two distinctions, between that of Jew and Gentile. And ALL are included in its gospel message.

The Bible makes that abundantly clear.

So what’s the agenda behind Christianity? simple. There isn’t one. So Dr. Hagins has so far managed to get four out of four assertions he’s made completely wrong. He’s not doing so good, making four errors out of a possible four.

at 16:51, Dr. Hagins relates a saying about Harriet Tubman (whom I did a verbal report on in 3rd grade, BTW!) saying she freed 300 slaves – and would have freed 300 more if they had realized they were slaves.

The Fifth error Dr. Hagins is making is in his assertion from 14:30 to 16:51 that Christians are slaves. His implication is that it is only the black Christians who are slaves. In truth, I would say that to be slaves, there must be a slave master. His assertion is that it is white society who is our master. I will answer and say – it is Jesus Christ, who is both a Jewish man and God Himself in the flesh, who is our master.

If Christianity has made us slaves, it is a voluntary bond-servant relationship, and it is only with our consent that we make ourselves the Doulos, servants, of the Lord Jesus Christ. If Dr. Hagins’ assertion was correct, then Christians of all types would be valued and rewarded by society – as according to his wild theories, we would be placing ourselves in the position of being exactly where white society wants us. And if so, white society itself would not be so quick to join it.

Yet this is not the case at all, as the western world is making itself increasingly intolerant (in the name of tolerance) to Christianity. Black Americans, Canadians, and British persons are finding themselves increasingly isolated, the object of organized legal opposition, harassing and spurious lawsuits, and deprived of one right after another in favor of *****, which is pursuing its normal routine of attempting to force its new host country to change laws favoring its own religion, and stripping all the rights slowly of all other religions, eventually forcing its adherents to submit to forced conversion.

Christianity is also beset by secular humanism, which has gone from being simply a philosophy that Christianity is opposed to, to a force that is intent on legislating Christianity out of existence.

If white society in Britain, America and Canada had an agenda to hold down its black population by a system designed to hold its population in mental slavery… why then would it begin afflicting the members of that religion in such a way that we can only conclude that the nations of the UK and North America are engaged in systematic Christian persecution? His assertion not only has no evidence, it has much in the way of evidence against it!

As we’ll see, if I can finish this section on Dr. Hagins soon, his main theory is this – Christianity was designed by Rome for this express purpose. Oh, and Rome knew in advance America was going to exist?

It’s a silly theory, when you really analyze it. For starters, in the year of the Nicean council, Rome had actual legal slavery. They didn’t need some kind of system to hold Africans in slavery – they had laws permitting it.

The concept of slavery, abhorrent to the modern Western mind, is one of taking the conquered and making them your salves, triumphing over them by forcing them to do the work of your society. The reality is, that the Romans had FAR MORE Jewish slaves than African. Literally, the fact I am alive tells you that my ancestors were taken to Rome in the first few boats. It got to the point where the slave markets could not even give Jewish slaves away, there were so many of them in AD 70. So the Roman slave merchants simply tossed their Jewish cargo overboard to drown when they found they had an unsellable cargo.

The number of Africans in Rome was exceedingly small, outnumbered by Middle Eastern slaves, Thracians, Greeks, French, British, Germans, etc. The number of white slaves outnumbered black slaves in Rome probably by a ratio of 500 to 1.

So Dr. Hagins’ theory falls flat on its face historically, in that if he is correct and it was invented by the Romans (under intense persecution by its own government, where conversion to Christianity was often a death sentence), it would have been far more likely for it to have been aimed at the most populous group in slavery at the time…

…the Jews.

So, let me see if I can restate Dr. Hagins’ main assertion, corrected for historical facts. Christianity offered images of the conquering race of the Jews, to keep the Jews slaves mentally to the Romans, a position already enforced by law. And if they did accept Christianity, they were persecuted, set afire, crucified, tortured, raped, forced to fight in woefully unequal gladiatorial combat where the entire intent was to kill Christians so horribly that it would dissuade the population from accepting it. Oh, and if the African slaves want to buy into it too, that’s a bonus. And we’ll start persecuting them as well.

It’s got to be the STUPIDEST theory I’ve ever heard in my life, so self contradicting it’s amazing. It’s also got to be by far the most convoluted, illogical, self refuting conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard. Dr. Hagins should actually be offering tinfoil hats to everyone who attends his seminars. Compared to this, the various Kennedy Assassination theories seem logical and rational by comparison (Grassy Knoll, Two Shooter, Patsy theory, and the like).

returning to the video…

Dr. Hagins further attempts to brainwash his audience by repeatedly making them repeat his slogans. He’s already attempted to reach the audience by attempting to make himself seem likeable, someone they can identify with by speaking of common themes of his childhood. Having placed them in a warm, accepting mood, he moves to brainwashing techniques by making them constantly repeat his phrases. Another example is 17:36. I’d like to have an expert in mental conditioning and hypnosis watch the video, and get their opinion of his controlling techniques. Hagins is right, there is mental conditioning going on… but not by Christians. Rather, it is by Dr. Hagins himself.

here is his phrase he made them repeat…. “When you adopt a god who is not in your own image, when you embrace literature that teaches you to hate yourself, and love your enemy, when your oppressor and saviour, when your god and enslaver, are one and the same, you become the principle agent in your own destruction.”

See how he has literally listened carefully to Satan, trying to aim this exclusively at Christianity, the only religion that can save??? This cannot be aimed at any other religion.

It is also interesting to me that Hagins admits that he is using a brainwashing technique at 18:00 into the video. Since many in the audience were refusing to repeat the phrase, he exhorts the audience, singling out the refusers in a slight form of ridicule (“Some don’t want to wake up!!!”), and makes them repeat the phrase AGAIN.

I do note that Dr. Hagins never studied Greek, as he mispronounces “logos”.

at 20:43, Hagins states authoritatively, “To this day, there is no historical data , archaeological, or biographical evidence in existence to substantiate the life of ANYONE called Jesus the Christ.”

His fifth (or sixth, depending on how you’re counting this) is his grossest error yet. Yesterday, I gave only a small sampling of the evidence. The Talmud says Jesus existed. Suetonius says he existed. Proof can be found in the change of the Roman laws about grave robbing. Josephus says he existed. Tacitus says he existed. The New Testament says he existed. There are inscriptions dating back to the 1st century AD – within the time of Jesus Christ – where not only is Jesus’s name mentioned, but the actual attribution of the title “God” is given to Christ in the same inscription!

Many historians have examined the existence of Jesus Christ – these are the professionals, who know how to research this and how to document it properly – and have concluded that not only is Jesus Christ’s existence unquestioned, but the evidence for His crucifixion is one of the most historically attested events in history. And many have also concluded the same about the Resurrection. Yesterday, I even re-posted the information, to set this up so you could see how completely wrong Dr. Hagins is!

Dr. Hagins has made six assertions so far, each one demonstrably incorrect. His entire theory is based upon this one fact, his belief that Jesus Christ did not exist. The fact that historians agree he did exist does not seem to slow Hagins, or give him any pause whatsoever.

Dr. Hagins offers a quote from someone I’ve never heard of, a John Mackenzie, who attempts to claim that the data for Jesus’ existence does not exist, This is a fallacious argument called “Appeal to authority.” If I quote someone, anyone, it is given prestige because I’m quoting someone. However, the person must be credible, the source must be credible, and the facts must be credible, or the argument becomes fallacious.

Dr. Hagins also repeats the tired old assertion that Mark was written first, and not Matthew. He also says John was not added until the 4th century.

He’s even more incorrect here. The early Christian writers claim Matthew was written first, and I see no reason to doubt them. Indeed, they claim Matthew was written in Hebrew first – and we do have a fragment of the Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew, dating to the year 38 AD. If Mark was written first, it would have to have been written prior to then – making it even more of an unquestioned source than Hagins is willing to give it credit for!

He’s also showing his ignorance, in that we have letters by early Christian writers, dating back to 120 AD, listing the entire accepted canon of the New Testament. If Dr. Hagins is correct – and so far he’s batting seven wrong out of seven – then we have a problem, in that the Gospel of John was named as being part of the Bible three centuries before it was written!

Few scholars today even bother considering the liberal dating theories of Wellhausen for New Testametn texts. Considering we have fragments of John dating back before 330 AD, his entire theory is destroyed by ugly facts that he never bothered to verify. Hagin has 8 out of 8 contentions wrong, at only 22 minutes into the video!

his work must be the shoddiest researching I’ve ever seen. Again, all of his (il)logical conclusions make sense only when viewing history backwards. When we do what scholars do (and Hagins is, by using his doctorate title attempting to pass himself off as one) and look at the original time FORWARD, his fallacies become evident – and even embarrassing! To be THAT wrong with your basic conclusions right in the first 20% of your video is inexcusable. He couldn’t have gotten more wrong if he’d tried!

Since Dr. Hagins is going to build upon these theories, let me state again – he’s been wrong on every cardinal point he’s raised. Had he been more careful in his research, he could have spared himself a lot of embarrassment. If he’s so sure about his theories, let him debate Geissler, Ham, Habermas, Campbell, Craig or even McDowell, and see how well he does. McDowell would eat him alive, and Craig would humiliate him in a debate in a matter of minutes (William Lane Craig is not too gentle in debates). I think Campbell would let him down in a much gentler method, but it would still be embarrassing for Dr. Hagins.

I think at this point, I can say I’ve utterly demolished all of Hagin’s arguments, as they proceed to build even farther upon the cardinal points I’ve already refuted. Since everything Hagins’ advocates is built upon faulty premises, it is what is known as in logic the “house of cards” argument – when you remove all the legs of the argument, the entire argument collapses on itself quickly.

If anyone is interested in my continuing to analyze this video, let me know. But I think at this point I’ve utterly destroyed his arguments.

I’d like to ask this – there are 98 followers of this blog. Please pray Dr. Hagins will lose his rebelliousness, and get saved. Because he’s facing a very long and horrific future if he does not.

Proofs of Christianity 17


Since I’m dealing with the Dr. Ray Hagins issue at the request of a friend, I re-posted an article from just two weeks ago, as it is apparently very timely.

A favorite tactic of some Jewish anti-missionaries is this – to attempt to claim Jesus never existed. I’m going to quote from my rabbi, who in his gravelly voice made a sound of disdain and replied, “The Gemara says he existed. Toledot Yeshu says he existed. They don’t know what they’re talking about.” This was from a man who was definitely no follower or fan of Jesus. I’m sure if he found out I was now a Christian, he’d be banging on my door in some anger.

Toledot Yeshu is a Jewish book speaking of Jesus. It is, to be blunt, a book full of hostile conjecture and lies, claiming Jesus had a human father, a Roman soldier named Pantera (kind of an odd name for a Roman, really), that Jesus could fly, practiced sorcery, and had discovered the complete name of God using Egyptian magic, and tattooed it on his flesh – thus giving him miraculous powers.

The Gemara is the Talmud, which attempts to claim Jesus was a disciple of the great Rabbi Hillel, but after a disagreement, turned to idolatry. it also lays claim to Jesus being crucified during the correct time period, which according to the Talmud’s version of things, would have made Jesus 130 years old or so.

my point here today is not to refute these two books – they do a fine job of that all on their own – but rather, to cite two hostile witnesses that bear evidence that Jesus existed.

I’ve never refuted the Loch Ness monster or Bigfoot on my blog, because well… I don’t think they exist. The Jewish people simply would not waste time refuting the existence of someone who had never existed.

Now, that right there is going to get complaints. There’s a couple of readers who get angry whenever I attempt to forecast someone’s motivations. “You can’t possibly know their motivations!” is the objections. Yes I can, because their own actions (or lack thereof) exhibit their motivations. Police officers and District Attorneys do it ALL THE TIME in a court of law, and no judge ever overrules it. The defense counsel does not object – indeed, the defense counsel often attempts to forecast the motivations of the other parties involved as part of their defense!

So, let’s not hear that motivation argument again.

So, if two hostile witnesses claim Jesus existed, they have nothing to gain and everything to lose if Jesus Christ was a myth.

Thallus wrote of Jesus Christ in AD 52, and was quoted by Julius Africanus 170 years later.

Cornelius Tacitus mentions Jesus Christ in his Annals, written around 100 AD. He also mentions Christians in the account of the burning of the Temple in his Histories, written around 70 AD.

Yesterday, I made mention of the Nazarene Inscription, further proof of Jesus Christ.

Suetonius wrote of Christians causing problems due to their religion at the behest of “chrestus”.

Plinius Secundus writes of Christians and their faith in Christ, and how difficult it was to get most of them to deny Christ, as they held Him to be a God. Written around AD 112.

Tertullian also testified of Jesus Christ around AD 137

justin Martyr wrote of Jesus Christ in AD 150.

Flavius Josephus also wrote of Jesus Christ, and James His half brother.

Lucian of Samosota mocked Christianity and Jesus Christ in his The Passing Pegrinus. Written around 200 AD, it attests to the existence of Christ.

If Jesus never existed, there’s a lot of documentary evidence, about half of it from hostile sources, attesting to His existence!

It’s time people abandoned the “Jesus never existed” approach. It’s really silly, and too easily disproved.

Proofs of Christianity 16


12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD. Exodus 12:12 (KJV)

Now, let me address another part of Dr. Hagins’s assertion – that the worship of Egypt is the true god, and the true religion, and that Europeans stole it. Again, I will not be able to answer all of this tonight, but may be able to answer more in detail this weekend…

Let me ask some simple questions Dr. Hagins has not considered.

If Egypt is the true religion, i.e., the true god is the Egyptian pantheon of Horus, Semiramis, Ra, Set, Anubis, etc…

  1. why did the Egyptian religion fail? If the Egyptian mythos is the true religion, would not Ra be angered that all persons had left their worship? Would they not be punishing the world for forsaking them?
  2. What exactly are the plagues Egypt swore would befall the world for forsaking their mythos? where are these prophecies written, and where is the historical fulfillment of those plagues or curses?
  3. why have the Egyptian holy writings not survived intact, miraculously preserved like the Bible has been?
  4. where have the followers of Ra been, since 50 BC?
  5. what fulfilled prophecies and miracles prove the Egyptian religion is the true religion?
  6. If the Egyptian religion is the true religion, why did Ra, Horus, Set, and the others allow the God of the Hebrews to utterly humiliate them during the 10 plagues and afterwards during the Exodus?
  7. if the Egyptian mythos is the true religion, why did the legends, beliefs and practices of that religion change over time?
  8. are the Egyptian pantheon capricious and fickle? Why would they change the legends, beliefs and practices of their religion if they were the true religion?
  9. Why is it only the rulers of Egypt were permitted to enter the afterlife? what about the common Egyptian? Where is their elaborate pyramids?
  10. What are the Egyptian doctrines of sin and atonement? if the Egyptian gods are the true gods, how do you bridge the gap when you’ve offended them? If you have sinned and offended your gods, your sin offerings are tainted by your hands… so how can you atone for them? and if the Egyptian gods are going to atone for them, when did they do it, and which one elected to do it? Where in the Egyptian writings is this recorded in prophecy then fulfilled?
  11. If the afterlife of the Egyptians is limited to the Pharaohs, then for heaven’s sake what’s the point? Are YOU a Pharaoh? If not, you better amass one big army and get ready for a nasty fight, because the Egyptian military is no joke – and they’re not just about to sit back and let you conquer their country with an offended, “I say! That’s very rude!”
  12. How do we benefit from these doctrines if we are not Pharaohs? Trust me, Egyptian motif decor around your house does not make you a Pharaoh. How do we benefit, without our own elaborate tombs? and why does it require elaborate tombs? To launch us into the afterlife? If the Egyptian gods are so powerful, can’t they give you a boost, or afoot-up? how about a jump start, or reaching down a hand or a ladder for you to climb up?
  13. And if you do build your elaborate tomb, what difference does it make if it’s not exactly perfect? What if its 500 feet on one side, and 500 feet 2 inches on another? Does that affect it at all? Everyone makes a big deal about the supposed perfection of the Great Pyramid – what about the Bent Pyramid??? Did its owner make it into the afterlife? “sorry buddy – you hired cheap labor!”

So, now, let me start answering the video, now that I’ve asked these questions.

Dr. Hagins makes a big deal about the stories of the Bible supposedly being stolen from Egypt. it’s interesting to me that several people have placed challenges for Dr. Hagins to produce any documentary evidence for his claims, and he has yet to avail himself of any of the reward money, which amounts to tens of thousands of dollars. If someone were to place a challenge to me to produce documents I had in my possession and the reward was $10,000 or more, I’d be driving to the bank to deposit that cash!

Dr. Norman Geisler, author of more than 70 books, writes, “The first real parallel of a dying and rising god does not appear until A.D. 150, more than a hundred years after the origin of Christianity. So if there was any influence of one on the other, it was the influence of the historical event of the New Testament [resurrection] on mythology, not the reverse. The only known account of a god surviving death that predates Christianity is the Egyptian cult god Osiris. In this myth, Osiris is cut into fourteen pieces, scattered around Egypt, then reassembled and brought back to life by the goddess Isis. However, Osiris does not actually come back to physical life but becomes a member of a shadowy underworld…This is far different than Jesus’ resurrection account where he was the gloriously risen Prince of life who was seen by others on earth before his ascension into heaven….even if there are myths about dying and rising gods prior to Christianity, that doesn’t mean the New Testaments writers copied from them. The fictional TV show Star Trek preceded the U.S. Space Shuttle program, but that doesn’t mean that newspaper reports of space shuttle missions are influenced by Star Trek episodes!” (I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be An Atheist, 2004, p. 312).

Dr. Ronald Nash, the author of many books including The Meaning of History and The Gospel andthe Greeks: Did the New Testament Borrow from Pagan Thought? writes, “Which mystery gods actually experienced a resurrection from the dead? Certainly no early texts refer to any resurrectionof Attis. Attempts to link the worship of Adonis to a resurrection are equally weak. Nor is the case for a resurrection of Osiris any stronger. After Isis gathered together the pieces of Osiris’s dismembered body, he became “Lord of the Underworld.”….And of course no claim can be made that Mithras was a dying and rising god. French scholar Andre Boulanger concludes: “The conception that the god dies and is resurrected in order to lead his faithful to eternal life is represented in no Hellenistic mystery religion.” (The Gospel and the Greeks: Did the NewTestament Borrow from Pagan Thought?, p. 161-162)

Dr. Gary Habermas and Dr. J.P. Moreland write, “Not one clear case of any alleged resurrection teaching appears in any pagan text before the late second century A.D., almost one hundred years after the New Testament was written.” (Cited by Dan Story in The Christian Combat Manual: Helps for Defending your Faith: A Handbook for Practical Apologetics, 2007, p. 206).

The Claims of Dr. Hagins are astoundingly similar to the Zeitgeist movie, so much so I have to wonder if Hagins was influenced by it? This kind of shoddy research has been going on since the 1960’s. What it amounts to is the speculate writings of someone in the 60’s, who was quickly refuted by Christian Apologists. However, the writings would be quoted by someone else without bothering to research, and lo and behold, we have to answer it again. And again. and again.

Dr. Ben Witherington says, “There was no such thing as the concept of bodily resurrection in Egyptian religion, and certainly not of a mythological deity, Horus, was not believed to have a human body. Sometimes commentators will use the term resurrection to speak loosely about an afterlife in another world, not a bodily return to this world.” (“The Zeitgeist of the ‘Zeitgeist Movie'”)

Michael Houdmann says, “Horus becoming a teacher at age 12 (mimicking the account of Jesus at the temple as a youth) is nowhere to be found in accounts of Horus; neither are there any statements to the effect that he had 12 “disciples.” According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers and some indications of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. No accounts of Horus being betrayed are found in his portrayals and he certainly did not die by crucifixion in any account. There is an incident described in one story of Horus being torn to pieces, with Iris requesting that the crocodile god pull him out of the water, but the movie does not mention this, as it does not fit their agenda. Further, the movie puts the account of Horus as originating in 3000 B.C., which predates the invention and practice of crucifixion, so there is another historical problem that must be overcome. The claims of Horus being buried for three days and resurrected are not to be found in any ancient Egyptian texts, either. Some accounts have Osiris being brought back to life by Isis and going to be the lord of the underworld. But there is no mention of a burial for three days and no mention of his physically coming out of a grave in the same physical body he went in with and never dying again. And there is certainly no account of Horus dying for others as Jesus did. In the end, the attempt to prove Horus was a picture/forerunner of Jesus simply fails from lack of any historical evidence.” (“Is There Any Validity to the Zeitgeist Movie?”)

The Zeitgeist movie began trucking out the same tired “stolen religion” conspiracies we’d been hearing since the 60’s. How did these originate?

“The Beatles. The Beatles grew long hair, we grew long hair. The Beatles dropped acid, we dropped acid. The Beatles discovered Hinduism, we discovered Hinduism.” a Beatles Fan (sorry this is another quote out of the memory banks – I don’t remember who said it – David Gerrold?)

Hippies began looking into Hinduism, because their idols began looking into it. Sloppy research led some to believe the quote of some Hindu Yogi’s that “Jesus came to India to study Hinduism”, and that was circulated for a long time. Others began to add the Attis (or Apis) Cult claims, then adding Mithra into it, then Hercules, etc. I can remember having a book listing all those claims like an encyclopedia. If all you did was read a book like that, it would be devastating. Unfortunately, ALL the claims were stretched beyond truth, or the product of shoddy research, and “a friend said that a friend said that a friend said…”

Bottom line is… this stuff has been circulated over and over again since around 1967. And it’s been refuted time and time again.

now Mr. Hagins is using shoddy research to push the same thing, this time borrowing the same “research” to push his agenda. It amounts to the same thing, just from an Egyptian perspective. I’ve already answered many of his claims with this series, and today (again) I’m only briefly answering what he’s got on this series. It would require an entire month’s worth of articles to show the rampant errors in his approach.

Hagins makes a big deal about Serapis. This is a combination of a Roman god Apis (or Attis) and an Egyptian god. Odd that he should be turning to one of the gods of one of the very cultures he despises, but that’s his prerogative, if he wants to be wrong.

On benstanhope, Hagin’s Serapis Letter is analyzed, and I quote…

Hagins tries to show Christianity and Jesus evolved out of Egyptian religion by quoting the following correspondence “dated” to AD 134:

“Egypt, which you commended to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent, and continually wafted about by every breath of fame. The worshipers of Serapis [here] are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis [I find], call themselves Bishops of Christ.”

So what’s the big deal? In short, this letter is a widely known forgery. It’s a fake.

Despite the obvious fact that the letter (if it were authentic) would be a century too old to demonstrate any meaningful Christian etiology, it is part of a late 4th century forgery entitled Historia Augusta. The Historia Augusta contains so many anachronisms that it is easily dated to AD 395. The “Serapis letter” itself is full of anachronisms demonstrating this point. Hadrian was only in Egypt in 130, and the letter mentions his adopted son Lucius Aelius, who Hadrian did not adopt until six years after. Hadrian also salutes Servianus as consul, but Servianus did receive position as consul until 134. The letter also mentions the “Patriarch of Jewry,” a position that did exist until he created it after the Jewish Revolt in 132.

Glanwill W. Bowersock, in a proceeding volume of the Genevan conference on the Historiae Augusae gives a scholastic survey of the dating of the texts. He writes:

“The presence of fiction in the Historia Augusta is by now an established fact. The mischievous author of this work pretended, as we all know, to be writing historical biographies; but this pretense, though compelling the inclusion of genuine historical material, imposed no perceptible limits on his wit and invention.”[1]

Günter Stemberger (PhD Jewish studies, Innsbruck and Göttingen), commenting on the Serapis letter confirms, “We should hardly assume the existence of an actual event on which these remarks were based.”[2]

If you’re interested in reading more on this, feel free to consult that web page. He does provide the citations for his quotes.

Since some will be searching for posts and web pages for Dr. Hagins, I’ll re-blog my post on proof for Jesus’s existence tomorrow, and then I’ll be done with this subject for a while, and should be finishing up this series. I’d hoped to be done with it by September 1, but again, I’ve fallen behind because of my schooling. Well, that does take precedence.

Now, this puts a major damper on Dr. Hagins conclusions. If his Serapis letter is a fraud, and I think I’ve found enough scholarly evidence of that, and if his major case for the Egyptian mythos being the true religion is shot down (and I think I took care of that today) and if I can establish ONCE AGAIN that Jesus Christ is a historical person…

…Then all of Dr. Hagin’s books, videos and seminars are worthless.

Tune in tomorrow.

Proofs of Christianity 15


As a request from a good friend, I’m answering some of the claims of this video…

I’m not going to be able to answer all of this today… I’m just going to hit a couple of the highlights for you. I may be able to get more of them tomorrow and Sunday.

First of all, I noticed how Dr. Hagins resorted to a tactic coincidentally used by Brian McLaren of the Emerging Church – using the tactics of making himself seem innocent, and constantly cueing his audience for repeated affirmations. You smile at his describing himself as his parents saying, “Why do you have to ask so many questions?”

Yes, we’ve all heard that. And his pausing to remind his viewers “remember, I’m a little boy now…” yes, we all were children once. Some of us are still there, it seems!

Mentioning his grandmother with some affection (we usually loved our grandmothers, so again he gets that affirmation with us).

He brings up couches vs. sofas and making those of us who are of the same age agree – yes, we remember when they were called that. We remember the big stand up freezers and washing machines and etc. We remember black and white tv’s too. And black and white pictures on the wall.

So, we’re smiling, relaxed, and feeling warm with acceptance as he begins to steer the discussion into: “What is Christianity.”

He describes his grandmother having a picture of the Last Supper. Uh-oh…. he’s surely not about to make doctrinal stands based upon a painting, is he?

The Lubavitch Rebbe, Menachem Mendl Schneerson
The Lubavitch Rebbe, Menachem Mendl Schneerson

Sure enough… he does. Most of what he’s talking about, is derived from two paintings his Christian grandmother, a woman so thankful to God for salvation she would stand in front of the painting of Jesus and speak to it as if Jesus was standing in the room with her. I doubt that was idolatry, as she was addressing the person alleged to be in the painting.

However, Dr. Hagins begins to try to converse with the painting too… bypassing crucial steps number 1,2 and 3… Understand you are a sinner in need of salvation, repent and ask the Lord to save you, believing that Jesus Christ is God and is raised from the dead.

He’s totally lost this point, and cannot understand the first thing about Christianity. He’s not saved. It’s no wonder he went awry.

85836The next statement he makes after this (and after trying to play on the audience’s fear of looking foolish), is to answer his question, at 13:18 into the video. “Christianity may be defined as a Euro-Gentile, psycho-philisophical vehicle of spiritual and intellectual enslavement.”

Huh?

The Lubavitch Alter Rebbe
The Lubavitch Alter Rebbe

His entire premise is based upon a premise of all biblical stories being stolen out of Egypt.  I’ll try to deal with that a little more tomorrow night. There’s a major flaw with his premise right off the bat.

He’s deriving his doctrine not from the Bible, but by artwork from Leonardo Davinci’s “The Last Supper”. And his premise is that, since these men are white, it was designed to be a system to enslave minority groups by presenting the image of his conquering slavers as deity.

The RaMBaM, Rabbi Maimonides
The RaMBaM, Rabbi Maimonides

There’s a major problem with that. Jews.

See, Jews are considered white in America. And Jesus and the Apostles are Jews.

I’m a Jew, ethnically. You’ll have noticed I’ve shown pictures and artwork of Jews. Apparently, some Rabbi’s like the Baal Shem Tov and the RaMBaM for some reason never posed for photographs back 400 and 900 years ago.

Does DaVinci’s artwork correctly portray what Jesus and the apostles looked like? I seriously doubt it. And of course, many of the famous pictures supposed to portray Jesus Christ do seem to portray a Gentile Jesus, often with blond hair and blue eyes.

However, in all the time I’ve had this blog, I’ve never decried that. I doubt Jesus had long hair. I’m not going to be dogmatic about it, because the Bible is sparse with details.

I will say Jesus probably looked more like some of the Jews on this page. And anyone who’s describing meeting a blonde or brown haired Jesus in this day and age are misled, lying, or suffering from mental issues. The Bible describes Jesus Christ now as having white hair and beard, and skin like brass. Try to paint THAT!

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 1:12-18 (KJV)

Israeli Border Police
Israeli Border Police

Jews in Jesus’s day had a slightly more olive complexion than now. Perhaps a little darker than the Israeli border policeman in this picture.

So… how exactly does the worship of a Jew portray the European conqueror? What’s the logical line of thought here? Well, if your mindset is originating say… right this very minute, and peering backwards into imaginary times in your mind with absolutely no proof… yeah, it could look that way.

If you continue to think of the Jews as Gentile Europeans, sure. But I’m not a gentile. And the apostles and Jesus were not Gentile not European.

Now, perhaps Ray Hagins needed to think of it this way… “you’re showing me white men, and a white god. What’s this got to do with me?”

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (KJV)

There you go. for God so loved the WORLD. Everyone. There’s no Filipino’s in the Bible, either. Nor British. No Scots. No Irish. No Chinese. No Japanese. Yet, that one verse speaks of ALL of them. Including Mr. Ray Hagins.

But there is an African.

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. 27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. 29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. 30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: 33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:26-39 (KJV)

There are Africans in the Bible. There are Egyptians in the Bible. The Gospel is the same for all of us. Jews, Arabs, Native American tribes, Pacific Islanders, Orientals, whites, Africans, everyone. The Gospel is open to all of us.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)

26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. John 12:26 (KJV)

More coming tomorrow…