A Biblical Examination of Pentecostalism #5


Last one for now! I’ll sneak some in later when nobody expects it.

Something I remember someone saying when I was attending a Messianic Synagogue (in the days before I was saved…)…

“Why have scientists never analyzed tongue speaking?”

Here’s the answer, some 20 years later: They have analyzed it many times. Each time they have disproved it.

Tongues. Technically known as Glossolalia.

Here’s an encounter I had with a co-worker, which I wrote about a few years ago.

Incidentally, someone at work wanted to argue with me. He brought up a radio show he’d heard about two Baptist pastors claiming we had the Bible all wrong. I’m glad they pointed it out – Godly men have been prayerfully studying the Bible all wrong for 2,000 years until these two jokers came along!

Anyway, the guy at work told me Baptists were wrong, because we don’t believe in speaking in tongues, and these two Baptist pastors were convinced we were wrong.

My response to him was to quote 1 Corinthians 12 – “Tongues will cease.”

He replied, “Well, that’s not for today.”

Wow, really? A Charismatic telling me tongues ceasing were not for today! I told him, “It says until that which is perfect is come. The Bible is described as perfect in the Psalms:

7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7 (KJV)

I was really trying to get out of the conversation – this kind of discussion is not permitted at work. But the fellow persisted.

“Well it also says that knowledge will cease. Do you know anything? If you do, then tongues are for today.”

I answered him patiently. “Will you know the Lord after the Millennium?”

He paused. “uhhh…. Yeah.”

“Then obviously we’re not sitting around in the eternity completely oblivious- that would describe death, not life. We’ll know the Lord, we’ll know the Gospel, we’ll know each other… So obviously this is not talking about knowledge as knowledge – this is talking about Word of Knowledge, the supernatural understanding of correct doctrine for the purpose of writing the New Testament – and that’s already written. That also covers the supernatural knowledge Peter showed with Ananias and Saphira.”

“Oh.” He shook his head. “Well, I haven’t studied it out.” That wasn’t quite true – he obviously had studied it to the point he thought he had a zinger that would stump me. That wasn’t the case. So he quickly got out of the conversation. Which was okay by me. If he wants to talk about it after work, excellent! During work… No. My employer does not permit it, and I honor that request.

With the understanding of Genesis, that tongues means languages Biblically, we see that supernatural manifestations of tongues was to speak in a language miraculously you did not know. The New Testament furthermore made the requirement that if you got the urge to suddenly speak in, say, Basque in the service, let the pastor know, and when permitted, speak. The requirement was that someone had to be there who was a native Basque speaker to understand it! This is what it means by “One to interpret”. If you wanted to speak in Basque, and had never learned it… But there was nobody there who spoke Basque… Then you should hold your tongue. God would bring that only if someone was there to interpret. This is a clear teaching of the New Testament.

What are tongues for?

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)

This means if you stand up in a Charismatic church and begin speaking in other tongues, you are in effect claiming someone in that church body is not saved. Your speaking in tongues is for them. If they do not speak that language – then you quite simply wasted your time, and it was not of God that you spoke in that tongue.

If it was not of God that you spoke in tongues, then who was it of?

We go to the first verse listed by Charismatics…

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:1-11 (KJV)

I’m not trying to paint a Libyan flag with the colors – but I wanted your eyes drawn to the very verses that discuss this. Each of the verses is in a different color to contrast them, and force the modern Bible reader into doing something that was common prior to the 20th century (reading one verse, or one thought at a time.)

I don’t know exactly the number of Pentacostal pastors who teach the two-tongue theory, and how many simply don’t differentiate. I attended a Charismatic church before I was saved (and I’ll be discussing this a lot as we go through this). My former pastor taught there was two different kinds of tongues, “Other tongues” and “unknown tongues”.

He would agree with me that “Speaking in other tongues” was – speaking in a language that you did not know, as supernatually enabled by the Holy Spirit. What he would not agree with me on, is that this gift is passed away, as the Bible said it would.

However, he advocated (consistent with most Pentacostals) that speaking in tongues also included “unknown” tongues, tongues that were not spoken on earth. Another name for this was “the tongues of angels”, speaking in a heavenly tongue.

While these terms are indeed used in the Bible, it is not an interpretation that can clearly be derived rom Scripture from context and usage. Indeed, the only usage of the few verses in the Bibles on this relatively unimportant gift all seem to be referencing the same thing, speaking in a language you don’t know.

I’ll digress briefly by telling you I remember a deacon in one of these churches (a Messianic “synagogue”) complaining why hasn’t anyone ever analyzed speaking in tongues so that it can be proven?

Getting back on topic, here’s the other verses on speaking in tongues. There’s not many.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. Acts 10:44-48 (KJV)

The last time, they were all Jews who spoke in tongues, in the presence of many unbelieving Jews. It was a sign for the unbelievers that God was with the 11 Apostles, and that truly everything they spoke about the Gospel was of God.

This time, Jews are still present. The people speaking this time are Gentiles. It is a sign that salvation is not limited to Jews. That may sound odd to today’s hearers, but it would have been a truly hot button topic back in those days.

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve. Acts 19:1-7 (KJV)

That’s the last verse talking about speaking in tongues in the Bible, except for 1 Corinthians. I’ve already dealt with this one in detail.

Again, the question would be, who is there? All Jewish. This took place in relative proximity to a synagogue, as we see from verse 8:

8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. Acts 19:8 (KJV)

So, who do we have? Disciples of John (all Jewish), Paul… and in relative proximity to unbelieving Jews. Now the “Why” question. Why did they speak in tongues here?

for a sign to unbelieving Jews, and to all others, that God had called Paul to be an apostle. There is no record anywhere else in the Bible of anyone recieving the gift of tongues.

To say they continue today when they do not fit the definition, use, method or practice is inaccurate to say the least.

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A Biblical Examination of Pentecostalism #4


One more after this!

Let’s go to Ernest Angely, for his defense of speaking in tongues from the Bible. The chronology is going to raise some eyebrows.

Ten years after Pentecost, the Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Ghost; the Holy Ghost also testified through them when He came in… (Acts 10:44-46). Twenty five years later we find some people receiving the same Holy Ghost in the same way. He took over their vocal organs and spoke in another tongue. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues (Acts 19:6) (https://www.ernestangley.org/tags/tag_entries/tag/Baptism+of+the+Holy+Ghost)

ten years plus twenty five years is thirty five years. I know, math is not my strong suite anymore (I used ta be really good at it) but I’m getting 35 years, even using a slide rule and a scientific calculator.

Acts runs from 30 AD to 60 AD.

I don’t know about you, but Ernest Angely is putting Acts 19 at 65 AD… five years after Acts was written! Acts ends abruptly as Paul is put to death before Luke continues writing. Why didn’t Luke write about Paul’s death? Easy one… the Holy Spirit stopped moving Luke to write after Paul reaches Rome.

Mr. Angely is off by about 9 years, according to Ramsey, and off by about 15 years by some other accounts that puts Paul’s missionary journeys earlier in time. I’ll go by the latter date and give Mr. Angely the benefit of the doubt.

The last Biblically recorded example of speaking in tongues is around 56 AD. After that, it vanishes from the earth.

There is no place in the Bible that tells us the method has been changed… (Ernest Angley)

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 1 Corinthians 13:8 (KJV)

There’s a verse in the Bible saying that tongues would cease. It was written in 55 AD. In 56 AD Paul witnesses to and converts disciples of John, and they speak in tongues. No mention is made of speaking in tongues after this. After 1 Corinthians, there is no tongues speaking in the Bible.

It ceased.

A Biblical Examination of Pentecostalism 3


Just a couple more, I promise.

Pentacostal Objection #2 – “What about all those people who were saved in Acts? Every one of them spoke in tongues afterwards?”

No. There are only three recorded times anyone spoke in tongues. And there is no record of those people speaking in tongues AFTER that.

The Phillipian Jailor did not speak in tongues after he was saved.

The Eunuch in the chariot did not speak in tongues.

Only the disciples of John, the Apostles themselves, and Cornelius the Centurion and his household. That was it.

There is no record of Cornelius speaking in tongues ever again.

Or the Apostles of John.

As a matter of fact, only Paul is recorded as pseaking in tongues after Acts. And then only during one of his first books, 1 Corinthians.

And its plain that Paul championed love and doctrine FAR above tongues speaking.

Pentacostal Objection #3

“The Bible says the sprit would testify and we will bear witness.”

Good point! How are you going to bear witness if you’re speaking in a language you don’t understand? And the person who you’re babbling at has no earthly idea what you’re saying?

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 1 Corinthians 14:19 (KJV)

Like, “Jesus died for your sins.”

A Biblical Examination of Pentacostalism 2


Yesterday we talked about speaking in tongues. The way we dealt with it will satisfy Fundamentalists, who are used to analyzing things from the Bible. It won’t satisfy one Pentacostalist out there, so I’m going to explain this for another three days or so, then quit and go to something else.

Pentacostal Objection #1 – You say tongues will cease. But the same verse says knowledge will vanish, and I still know things.

Answer – Explained that yesterday, you either didn’t make it that far, or didn’t like what I said. It’s not going to change things at all.

The word knowledge there is γνῶσις Gnosis, to know. Their are other Greek words for knowledge, and they continue straight through to the Enternity. Greek words and English words are not the same – it is a series of sounds that connect to a concept, and Koine Greek is astoundingly precise. I can use the words “Recognize” “Understand”, “Know” and each is a different word for a different concept, but in a similar grouping or construct. The WORDS are different, but the concepts similar.

One Greek word for knowledge is Oida, which can be found in Rev. 21:22. Note the word Knowledge is not used there, because the translators of the King James were astoundingly learned men. They understood rules of Greek that aren’t even TAUGHT anymore!.

So, will knowledge pass away? No.

But word of knowledge will. and already has, and that’s what 1 Cor. 13:8 is speaking of.

Any Pentacostal who tries to tell me there’s no such thing as “word of knowledge”, brother, I’m not buying it. You all use it whenever someone claims to know everything about you. It’s not working.

If you don’t believe me, let me ask YOU a question…

Do you REALLY believe that when the New Heavens and the New Earth are created, there is no sun, no temple, no moon, no darkness…

…that you’re going to be lying around, drooling? “Duhhhhh….”

What does that mean to you that you won’t have knowledge??? You just won’t know anything anymore? Like someone with an overly enthusiastic lobotomy?

Obviously not.

The Bible says tongues will cease.

And they did.

A Biblical Examination of Pentacostalism


A lot of this was done earlier under my 21 part study of Word Faith. Many pentacostals list themselves as Pentacostal, and say they’re not Word Faith or “positive confessionalism”.

But there’s VERY little attempt in Pentacostal churches to deal with making sure the doctrine of the church is correct. I say this, because they wouldn’t stay Pentacostal very long.

One thing I’d read from David Cloud and a few other teachers such as John Macarthur, was that Pentacostals place experience over doctrine. I’d read that Pentacostals, when challenged that the Bible teaches something else, will invariably retort, “Then you need to put away your Bible and trust your feelings!”

I always figured it was bombast, until I experienced an exchange that said exactly that!

First Rule of whether you’re in a Biblical church or not – if you cannot prove your church’s doctrine from the Bible, then you need to throw that doctrine out.

The standard methodology of Pentecostalism is to tell a sinner who needs the Lord, “You need to get saved.”

Absolutely no problems there. At all. Agree 100%.

“Pray this prayer…”

uh-oh. A little worrying, but I’ll keep my mouth shut. Let’s see what happens.

“Now, after your saved, you need to seek a second, subsequent blessing, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.”

Stop. Back up the bus, boo boo.

Find me that anywhere in the Bible. Where do we see a second subsequent blessing?

Pentecostals will point out a single verse, but I’m going to take a minute and lead up to that.

There’s only 3 passages where people in the Bible speak in tongues. Acts 2, Acts 10, and Acts 19.

When I first found that out, it blew my mind.

Because when I first thought I was saved, I attended a local church, where people seemed EXCITED about God. That’s why I joined. It was Pentecostal, and Word Faith. Indeed, it was an offshoot/church plant (kind of) from a megachurch that was word faith.

They taught me that in Acts, every time someone was saved, they spoke in tongues. They put a lot of pressure on me to speak in tongues. I tried it.

Later, I began to learn Hebrew and found that what I was speaking all along was, well… nonsense. That’s okay, they said… you have to speak nonsense!

Why?

Because if you know what you’re praying, the Devil can hinder it. And so the Spirit prays in a heavenly language that you can’t understand so Satan can’t hinder your prayers!

My reaction should have been to look that up in the Bible. That can’t be found in the Bible at all.

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Acts 2:1-8 (KJV)

The Apostles and Disciples were all speaking in known tongues. “Tongues” in the Bible means “languages.”

γλῶσσα of uncertain affinity; the tongue; by implication a language (specially one naturally unacquired) :- tongue.

Glossa means tongue, language. Speaking in tongues means speaking in languages.

So for me to say to someone, “Hola, Como Esta Usted???” is speaking in tongues.

1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, 2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. 3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. 4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. 5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: 6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do. Acts 10:1-6 (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Acts 10:34-46 (KJV)

For those who glossed over the Bible verses trying to get to Philip’s point,… go back and read. You’ve got your priorities wrong! The word of God is silver purified seven times. Read it.

A Roman gentile… is praying to God, and seeking God. He is told to send for Peter, a Jew. Peter comes with Jews to Cornelius’s house. Get’s halfway through a Gospel presentation. Cornelius begins speaking in tongues.

Peter makes a long speech. What is the essence of that speech?

“Oh wow! God can save Gentiles, too!!!!!”

Read it. Isn’t that what it says?

How do they know? Cornelius begins speaking in a language that the Jews know.

If I’m telling you about how WONDERFUL Wordsearch 11 is and you begin to foam at the mouth and “oogle loogle lailailai!!!!” I’m going to dial 911, because I’m afraid you just had a seizure or something.

So, Cornelius is speaking in a language, testifying about Jesus Christ. He just manifested the Biblical expression of speaking in tongues – speaking in a language you do not know, but someone else present does.

Where do I get that from?

Acts 2, of course. And Acts 10. “they heard them…. magnify God.” To hear them magnify God means they were just speaking a language that the Jews knew, but didn’t expect a Roman to know. Hebrew or Aramaic. I’d joke and say Yiddish, but someone would take me seriously.

Bottom line… they weren’t saying “Bubblyaida.”

Let’s go to the third and LAST time anyone in the Bible spoke tongues.

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve. Acts 19:1-7 (KJV)

Okay! There you go. That’s the only times anyone in the Bible spoke in tongues.

And incidentally, we’ve uncovered the only passage that can be shown to be a “second, subsequent blessing” if you’re reading it wrong.

Let’s read it correctly.

Disciples.

Whose?

John’s.

Not Jesus’s. They KNEW about Jesus, because John spent his ministry prophesying about Jesus, and incidentally, to make the people ready, encouraged them to mikveh. To submerge themselves under water for ritual purification.

Paul tells them about it. And gives a Gospel message – you should believe in the one John prophesied of, Jesus Christ.

Analysis… were the disciples of John saved?

No.

Paul gives a Gospel message there – that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

They were then baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Not a mikveh, a self immersion, but a burying and resurrection of the dead, as Christian baptism is – being immersed by someone else.

They then speak in tongues.

Analysis – who is present in all three times people spoke in tongues?

Answer – Jews.

Who is not present at almost every Pentecostal speaking in tongues?

Same answer – Jews.

That’s kind of a problem. Tongues are a sign gift, for those who do not believe. And it was a minor gift. Prophesy was the more encouraged.

Each time someone spoke in tongues in Acts, it serves a purpose. Acts 2, that Jesus is Messiah. Acts 10, that Gentiles can be saved. Acts 19, that Paul is truly an apostle. That subject was hotly debated in the early churches, because he was not present during the earthly ministry of Jesus. And others rose up, claiming to be apostles, and they disputed Paul’s apostleship. Where do I get that? Ephesians and Colossians and… in several epistles, actually.

Bottom line about tongues is this… this is the Bible, not Philip. Philip can be wrong. The Bible cannot be wrong.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 1 Corinthians 13:8 (KJV)

the gift of prophecy will fail.

The word of Knowledge will vanish away. This does not refer to understanding, but rather to the divine gift that Peter experienced in the case of Ananias and Sapphirus.

1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5:1-5 (KJV)

οἶδα is found in quite a few verses in the Eternity…

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Revelation 21:22 (KJV)

but λόγος γνῶσις cannot be found after this verse…

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV)

So the divine spiritual gift of word of knowledge vanished away very quickly.

Why? Did its job. It established the fact that the Apostles spoke truth, and that God was with them.

So knowledge in 1 Corinthians 13:8 does not refer to understanding or recognition, but rather the divine gift of Word of Knowledge.

So what’s left…

Tongues will cease.

“Out of your mouths…”


Word Faith has a funny doctrine… What you speak out of your mouth you create.

“You just will be the death of me!” Always gets a hurried, “Don’t say that!!!” from panicky Charismatics, worried that your thoughtless complaint will cause you to rupture and fall to the ground, your body splitting in two or green foam run out of your mouth, or something like that.

Here’s the line of reasoning behind this.

  1. God created the Universe by speaking.
  2. God made Adam
  3. Adam was created in the image of God, right down to being an exact duplicate. He even LOOKED just like God. Same eye color and everything.
  4. This means Adam was a g-d, with amazing power. Whatever God could do, Adam could do.
  5. When Adam sinned, God was (l’havdil) kicked out of this world, and lost the legal right to interfere here.
  6. Jesus Christ was (l’havdil) the first Born Again man, and restored to us the right to be g-ds again.
  7. We are now g-ds again, and have all the powers of God.

Okay, ready to analyze this by the Bible?

I can prove steps one and two from the Bible. That’s about it. The rest is pagan and New Thought occultism. It’s not Christianity at all.

First, God is God. God can do anything. It’s not hard for Him. God is limitless.

Adam had limits. There’s nothing in the Bible about Adam flying like a bird, breathing underwater like a fish, jumping to the moon, or any of the other claims by Word Faith teachers.

Adam created nothing except excuses and denial.

If Adam was a g-d, how was Satan able to tempt him? Does anyone ever think this stuff through?

“If you eat this apple, you’ll be like a g-d.” “Uh… too late, I already am.” “Foiled again!”

No, Satan told Adam that he would be like God in that he would know the difference between good and evil. So Adam would be like God.

This tells me that A). Adam was not a god and B). the first Word Faith preacher was Satan, not E. W, Kenyon.

All right – let’s try a test. Command a planet to come into existence, right next to the Earth. If you’re a g-d, do it! It’s easy for God. He didn’t even have to concentrate, practice some light reps with a bar of fifty pound weights to get warmed up! Go ahead, I’ll wait.

Hm! Didn’t happen?

You’re not a god. We are not gods.

using the rule of first mention, who was the first person to claim that?

Satan.

Get out of Word Faith while you can.

Who is the Lord?


2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go. Exodus 5:2 (KJV)

You’re all God. You don’t have a God living in you; you are one! … When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, ‘I AM,’ I say, ‘Yeah, I am too!'” (Kenneth Copeland, “The Force of Love,” Tape BBC-56).

“God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. … He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn’t come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He’s going to have to be in agreement with a man here.” (Kenneth Copeland, God’s Covenants With Man II, 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1)

There is real problems with defining God in Word Faith.  As I mentioned yesterday, Copeland and many other Word Faith teachers claim God is a man, having a body. The Bible teaches something else, but that’s beside the point.

Now for the major issue. God, according to the Word Faith teachers, is not God. We are g-d. I remember reading a quote from either Kenneth Hagin or Kenneth Copeland where whoever the word faith teacher was rebuked Satan, and God supposedly said to him, “I’m glad you said something to him, I couldn’t do it!”

The issue is – to the faith preacher, God is not g-d, but the faith teacher is.

“God’s reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself…He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even” (Kenneth Copeland, “Following the Faith of Abraham,” tape 01-3001).

Man…was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…. God has made us as much like Himself as possible…. He made us the same class of being that He is Himself…. Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with God…. The believer is called Christ….That’s who we are; we’re Christ!  (Kenneth E. Hagin, “Zoe: The God-Kind of Life” (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), pp. 35-36, 41.)

Um… no. I’m not Jesus Christ. Not by a long shot. If you think that we’re Jesus Christ, your definition of Jesus Christ is tremendously faulty.

Jesus Christ is God. He does not require permission. He does not require faith. He does not require…

…any of us. Jesus Christ will never say, “I need you” or “I can do nothing without you.” Indeed, He says the opposite – we can do nothing apart from Him!

But every Word Faith teacher reports hearing from Jesus Christ (which one, I don’t know, but it’s not the Jesus of the Bible…) “I need you, son, I need you.” Or, “I need you boy, I need you.” Or… the exact word in the middle changes depending on the style of speech.

Nope.

Biblical Answer – this is the Son of God. I want you to really grasp that. The very moment that the deed to the earth is held forth in Heaven, and the question is asked, “Who is worthy to open?” those in Heaven actually weep, because of their unworthiness.

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Revelation 5:1-5 (KJV)

Read it. Don’t skip it. The words of Philip are completely unimportant in this moment. Really reflect on this, that no man could even LOOK at the seals, let alone open them. Only Jesus Christ.

And he looks at Benny Hinn and says… “I need you. I need you.”

When does this happen? Only in Benny Hinn’s imagination. The REAL Jesus Christ is so POWERFUL, so AMAZING, so HOLY, that… He does not need us. If every human being rejected Him, he’d be sad. And He’d be utterly right to condemn every Human Being to Hell.

To claim Jesus Christ is telling you personally, “I need you” is to place yourself higher than God. You know, I don’t think I’d really want to explain myself to Jesus Christ why I was saying this.

Because He just might ask. And if Hinn  and Copeland are not saved…. He most assuredly will require them to explain these statements to all His redeemed, who will be watching – and probably grieving as they see so many forced to make an account of themselves.

The Spirit of God spoke to me, and He said “Son, realize this” Now follow me in this, don’t let your tradition trip you up. He said “Think this way. A twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible..I said “What?” He said “A born-again man defeated Satan – the first-born of many brethren defeated him.” He said “You are the very image, and the very copy of that one.” I said “Goodness Gracious, saints alive.” I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said “Well you don’t mean – You couldn’t dare mean that I could have done the same thing?” He said “Oh yeah. If you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did you could’ve done the same thing cause you’re a re-born man too.” (Kenneth Copeland, “Substitution and Identification” (Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989, audio tape #00-0202, side 2)

Kenneth Copeland teaches an utter denial of Jesus Christ, and a pagan exalting of himself as just as much a god as Jesus Christ. Indeed, he seems to skirt around disparaging Jesus Christ almost every chance he gets.

If you are in a Word Faith church, you need to really start examining your beliefs in light of the Bible. Does the Bible line up with this stuff? Or not?

If not… you need to get out of it, fast.