The Trojan Horse of Christianity Pt. 1

Christianity has been betrayed from within.

By people pretending to be Christian.

We’re afraid to call it what it is, but it doesn’t change things. False teachers abound. We accept blindly false teachers, Seventh Day Adventists, Roman Catholics and Mormons, because our Christian leaders vouchsafe them.

I will tell you instead we’ve been betrayed.

The Trojan horse, as you remember, is  a fable about soldiers hiding inside the statue of a horse, left at the gates of Troy. The Trojans took the horse inside the city, and when they all were asleep, the Greeks jumped out of the horse, opened the gates, and let the Greek army in, who slew the city.

I can’t think of a more apropos description of what’s happened in Christianity today.

  • We never censured Billy Graham for cooperating with theological liberals and Roman Catholics, so now we accept them.
  • We never censured Chuck Swindoll for his oft-repeated statements against Fundamentalism, so now most Christians are manipulated in their opinions. And many of these Christians think of themselves as Fundamentalists!
  • We never struck down books by Karl Barth, so his poison still infects, saps, and kills tissues within the body of Christianity.
  • We never cried foul about Rick Warren and the huge danger he presents within Christianity today.
  • Our Christian book stores refused to take out Rob Bell’s books after it became apparent he was a false teacher, and denied Hell. When you deny hell and espouse Universalism, then you’re calling Jesus Christ a liar. And I’d like to stay far away from you at the Great White Throne judgment. The excuse of the book stores is, “Well, we don’t carry that book, because it’s unBiblical.” Yes, and so is his Nooma videos and his “Velvet Elvis”. But they make money still. The book stores will continue to sell Velvet Elvis as long as it makes them money, whether it’s unBiblical or not. And it is most definitely unBiblical.
  • We accept C. S. Lewis as Christian, and somehow never see his Universalist heresies written in his writings. Our eyes pass over the pages, somehow not seeing where he states, plain as day, that he doubts the veracity of the doctrine of Christ’s substitutional atonement. That doctrine is FOUNDATIONAL to the Christian faith.
  • We accept the idea that Christianity can be practiced in different ways – after all, Methodists do things differently from Presbyterians who do things different from Episcopalians, who do things similar to Roman Catholics, and Seventh Day Adventists do things oddly, and much different from us, and why, a Mormon ran for President as a Republican and spoke about God, so he must be a Christian!

The reality is, there’s only one right way to do a Baptism. It’s by immersion. There’s only one right meaning. It’s to show obedience in an outward sign. If you say, “Well, my denomination does things differently, and here’s why….” I can tell you why.

You’re wrong.

Things that are not how the Bible teaches it is error. If you know it to be error, but do it anyway, it’s heresy.

Go ahead. Tweet that or Facebook that or… whatever you call that.

If it’s a serious enough denial of the Christian faith, it’s apostasy.

There’s only one right way to be saved – salvation by grace through faith. If your denomination teaches that any practices of Christianity impart additional grace, you’re a heretic, an apostate. That Denomination is teaching lies straight from the pit of Hell. You’re denying the Cross of Christ. You’re saying His sacrifice is insufficient.

And I’ve read this in Presbyterian web sites.

There’s only one meaning of the Lord’s supper – it is in remembrance of the Lord, a memorial.

Nothing mystic happens to the bread and wine. Doesn’t matter how high you lift it, what words you say, what gestures you do, whether or not you ring a bell or not. It’s bread. It’s grape juice. It’s not somehow the mystic transformation or transubstantiation of the bread into flesh, or the substance of flesh. It’s bread. We do this to remind ourselves of the price paid for salvation.

“My denomination believes differently.”

Then your denomination has it wrong.

“There should be room at the table for denominational differences.”

Do we understand that our understanding of some parts of Christianity are not graded on a curve?

Your view of Jesus Christ is pass/fail. If you believe anything other than He is God in human flesh, eternally co-existing with the father, then – fail.
If you believe in anything other than salvation by faith through grace – fail.

Failure in that area of the test leaves one writhing in unending torment forever.

If you believe anything other than salvation being a recognition that you are a sinner condemned to Hell and cannot save yourself, and that you must repent and call upon Jesus Christ to save you – fail.

Fail in this case is a synonym for “hell”. Because that’s your final destination..

That’s the Trojan Horse of Christianity. We’ve seen too many false Christians and did not immediately reject them. Billy Graham should have lost his fame, his support, and Christians should have rejected his ministry by 1950, when he began to embrace the worst theological liberals and heretics, and turn his back upon Fundamentalists.

Christians should have recognized years ago that Chuck Swindoll is opposed to those who literally believe the Bible, which brings up questions. By the way, has anyone noticed Swindoll literally has nothing to say, and says it well and prolifically?

I’ve literally heard him pass off a sermon illustration as a true story he got from reading Readers’ Digest. I’ve read entire books by him that pass from one sermon illustration to another, without actually saying something! Don’t believe me? Tell me what his call to action is. When you write a non-fiction Christian book, you inform, then request a call to action. Tell me what Swindoll’s call to action is. Go ahead.

See what I mean? He has nothing to say, lots of it, and says it well. Because apparently nobody else seems to notice he has nothing to say!

How about this quote? In light of what I’ve said about the Bible and having it right or wrong, read this – “There are too many shades of theological opinion in a large denomination to lump them all off as liberal, neo-orthodox, conservative, fundamentalist, or what have you!”

No. You either have it right, or you have it damnably wrong.

And the speaker is Billy Graham. Here’s the question. I’ll answer it the right way, myself.

“Do you think that churches such as The United Church of Canada and the great liberal churches of the United States that are active in the ecumenical movement and whose ministers study and respect the work of Paul Tillich and other great modern teachers are ‘apostate’?”

I don’t know what you mean – I don’t know about the United Church of Canada. I don’t know Paul Tillich. I do know theological liberals, and they are indeed apostate, if they were even saved to begin with – and the Bible teaches that if you apostate, you never were saved.

If you do not believe the Bible literally, you’re hell bound for all eternity, with no way to avoid it. There’s nothing you can do to stop it.

But the Jesus Christ of the Bible, God in human flesh, one third of the Trinity provided a way. If you believe these things, and you believe Jesus Christ is eternally God and able to save you, then repent, pray forgiveness from Him, and trust Him to save you.

And you shall be saved.


Simple Truth–Seventh Day Adventists are not Christians

Simple truth – Seventh Day Adventists are not Christians.

It’s been addressed in detail in the past, and I’m really thinking about re-doing all of those! – but Seventh Day Adventism teaches that their Jesus Christ is the angel Michael.

That right there is enough to disqualify them.

Sorry. No.

It’s heresy.

If you do not believe that Jesus Christ is eternally God the Son, pre-existent with God the Father, then you are not saved.

If you deny that Jesus Christ is the sin-bearer of humanity, you are not saved.

If you believe that the sins of mankind are laid upon Satan, you are not a Christian, but in effect, a quasi-Satanist.

Ellen G. White is a false prophet. She prophesied things that never happened, and prophesied things that were wrong. She contradiction the Bible, and plagiarized countless books. The SDA church has never answered the challenge to prove that even 20% of her supposed inspired writings were even her own – because they’re afraid of public examination on this issue.

Seventh Day Adventists do not believe in Hell while they are alive. Their beliefs change rapidly a second after death. That’s way too late to reach them.

That’s why I started this blog.

10 Bible Teachers to Stay Far Away From

One of the things I’ve done over the years is to warn people about teachers to avoid. Just a look down the right hand side of the page on categories shows you a very impressive list of false teachers. I thought I’d compile the top 10 teachers to stay away from.

Most of the Fundamentalists can stop reading now, because nothing new here!

But if you’re new to Fundamentalism, which is my focus of the blog at this point in time, this list is going to have some surprises!

The list of 7 teachers to stay far away from.

  1. Karl Barth. This is my first teacher to warn against. He’s a theological liberal, and does not believe the Bible – but he believes very strongly and sincerely in a Jesus Christ he invented in his mind, because the Christ that Barth advocates bears some resemblance to the Christ of the Bible, but that’s it. To believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour means to believe in the Bible, to believe in Hell, to believe in judgment, three things Barth does not believe in. He sits at the number one spot, because I’d wager from what I’ve seen, about 90% of Evangelical Christianity today would agree with him. Unless I’m reading Barth completely wrong (and Charles Ryrie apparently agreed with me, because Ryrie has spilled much ink refuting Barth), if you believe like Barth believes, you’re standing on the goat side at the Great White Throne judgment – an active participant, not an observer.
  2. C. S. Lewis. “What??? How can you put Clive on this list?” Go ahead, take your Clive books off the shelf. Read them VERY carefully. Highlight everything he wrote that does not line up with the Bible. Your books will be VERY colorful after that. C. S. Lewis believed in Salvation by works, and converted to Catholicism on his death bed. He believed in Universality, that everyone who does good except the most evil, and probably even them too, will go to heaven. When he visited a pagan shrine, he prayed to that deity, because in his mind, praying to a false god was praying to God. Are you SURE you want to follow this man’s teachings?
  3. Billy Graham. Described by one Fundamentalist as “The man who ruined America”, Graham has done more than any other to get Christians convinced that Roman Catholics are Christians. Not only that, but admissions from Graham that he believes in Baptismal regeneration and favors the sprinkling of babies as a form of salvation seem to raise very few eyebrows. If I wrote that on my blog, almost all of you would un-subscribe overnight! Graham has apparently learned the art of disguising liberalism within Fundamentalist words from Karl Barth, because Graham still speaks like a Fundamentalist, but sadly, his own writings bear tribute to the fact he prefers the company of heretics like John Shelby Spong. Graham grew in popularity when Fundamentalists deserted him, but Evangelicals embraced him.
  4. Benny Hinn. Yeah. Adam could not fly. Neither could he breathe underwater or walk on the moon. Neither did he lay eggs like a chicken. The Trinity is not composed of nine Gods. Women were never intended to give birth out of their sides. Benny Hinn is not Christian. He is a con artist selling repackaged Katherine Kuhlman-Aimee Semple McPherson rot rolled up into E. W. Kenyon word faith, and packed in a shell of Hinduism and Las Vegas showmanship. You should be weeping in abject sorrow over watching people follow him.
    Kenneth Copeland. Yup. Ditto. Although he’s very bizarre, nothing as strange as Benny Hinn. I don’t know if that’s something to boast about? “We’re number two!”
  5. Steven Anderson. So much wrong with this man, I don’t know where to start. He’s a Fundamentalist, but what he believes about salvation comes straight from Jack Hyles. Anderson also is Replacement theology, and strongly opposed to the Pre-Trib rapture. He’s either going to be very embarrassed when it happens, or he’s going to watch all of the rest of us rise, while he gets his wish and has to endure the Tribulation. If I could pry Kent Hovind away from this man, I would.
  6. Peter Ruckman. You know, Peter Ruckman has done a lot of good things. He’s got good teachings. But some of his stuff is so bizarre that I cannot in good conscience leave him off this list. Topping his bizarreness is the insistence that the canon was not sealed until 1611, we never had a Bible until the King James was completed, and that the King James can correct the manuscripts it was translated from. Martians, tiny fly-like demons, and UFO’s abound, wrapped up in the Joy of Painting which Ruckman describes as “holy artwork”. Avoid.
  7. Gail Riplinger.The fact she calls herself God’s Secretary should tell you something. She could have been a VERY good defender of the King James, but she’s very Ruckman in her beliefs, and her books are heavily tainted by shoddy research. The typical logic she has is that “He’s published by blah blah publishers, and you know who else is published by them so obviously they’re conspiring together…” One of my first rants was that a Fundamentalist web site listed many sermons by Fundamentalist pastors – but Riplinger’s sermons were called “Teachings”. If it’s a sermon when a man gives it, it’s a sermon when a woman gives it.
  8. Texe Marrs. I hate adding Marrs to this list. Years ago, someone left one of his books on the Tribulation in a Laundromat, and I tool it home and read it. But Marrs spends a LOT of his time and energy into trying to say I’m a descendant of the Khazars, and not really Jewish. I don’t know what his point is behind it. But that kind of rhetoric got 6 million of my people, including every relative I had in Prussia, sent to the gas chambers and the ovens. Apparently, it’s not the only weirdness he teaches. His stuff on the Rapture was good, I thought. But he ends up on my “beware of” list because of his weirdness.
  9. Debbie Pearl – Everything they advocate is cultish, weird, and borders on mental abuse to both women and to children. Why they’re so popular, I don’t know. They advocate women not having female friends – which is really bizarre. They advocate women wearing men’s shirts, which the Bible prohibits. Really strange. Take their books and toss them into the nearest garbage can.
  10. John Piper. Really, when you take his teachings and re-phrase them, he’s not really saying anything any different from what Joel Osteen says. Victoria Osteen made headlines because she claimed we should follow God because doing so makes us happy. Piper’s been saying that for years! Piper goes so far as to call himself a 7-point Calvinist, meaning he’s Hyper-Calvinist who considers himself a Baptist – but not too strongly. His elder board agitated for allowing infant sprinkling, and Piper put it to a vote. Piper also believes in speaking in tongues, and desperately wishes he had been given that gift. Truly a shame, because a lot of the teachings he does on the Bible are very good, and they come with Logos for free. But his emphasis on CS Lewis and his Christian Hedonism is so strange that I had to put him on this list – because a lot of you are listening to him and reading him. Rely on the Bible, and not external doctrines based on men.


These are not the only 10 to stay away from. I was very close to putting R. C. Sproul on this list, because his Calvinism tends towards double-predestination and hyper-Calvinism. However, despite his stances on this and infant baptism, Sproul just avoids making the list at #11 because he does have some good teachings – although he’s going to keep leading you back to Calvinism. I could have made a list of over 250 false teachers, but that requires HOURS of research and typing, and I’d rather not fall behind again the way I did in August and September!

Word Faith and Charismatics

Let’s try this again.
I’ve done book reviews of classic Pentecostal books, and angered many.

I wrote on why Speaking in tongues is not Biblical, and got ignored.

I’ve uploaded a much-downloaded Pentecostal timeline, and people still speak in tongues.

Let me try this again.

Much of what passes for Christianity today is not Christianity. That whole thing Benny Hinn does, and Kenneth Copeland, and what Myles Munroe did, and what Creflo Dollar does… none of that is Christian.

In Bible Christianity, God is God. God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. In other words, God is everywhere, all powerful, all knowing. God knows everything and can do everything. That’s what the Bible says.

In Charismatic Christianity. God is powerless, and knows only what He is present to see. This last point there’s varying levels of belief, but Copeland’s god is roughly Kenneth Copeland’s height, lives on a planet, and is locked away from the Earth, unable to do anything until you give Him permission. When you’re done hearing Kenneth Copeland speak, you begin to realize that his god is not god, but in fact Kenneth Copeland is. His god is not the god of the Bible.

Charismatic Christianity’s version of God is not God,  but a man – blasphemy.

In Bible Christianity, God created the Universe Ex Nihilo, meaning “from nothing.” Nothing existed until God created it.

In Charismatic Christianity, their god tapped into a free form floating power substance called Faith, wrapped His words around it, and spoke the Universe into existence. It’s not only bad religion, it’s bad science.

In Bible Christianity, Jesus Christ is God, one third of the Trinity, eternally the Son of God from before the creation of the Universe, and He created everything. Literally, everything that was made, He created.

In Charismatic Christianity, Jesus Christ is a man who was very close to God, created by God. He died like everyone else, and was born again in Hell, the “first born again man”. And so, since you claim to be born again, you too are just like Jesus Christ.
Charismatic Christianity’s version of Jesus Christ is a blasphemy. Not only that, but what the Bible calls a “damnable heresy.” It’s in the category of, “you cannot believe this and be saved.” I’m deadly serious about this. If you believe what Copeland, Dollar, Munroe, Hinn, and Meyer say about this, you are not saved. If you died today, your eternity would be horrific. Your only consolation will be watching the Word faith preachers have to give account before a Thrice Holy God at the Great White Throne judgment. Unless they repent, they will be weeping, apologizing, begging, bargaining, and doing everything in their power to avoid spending eternity with the very people they led astray. And they’ll end up with you in the lake of Fire, forever.

That’s horrific.

In Bible Christianity, you are a man or woman. Your heart is desperately wicked, you are a sinner. In your flesh dwelleth no good thing. Sold into slavery to sin, doomed to eternity in Hell without Jesus Christ. When you are born again, you indeed are born into the family of God, but as a redeemed man or woman, a grateful servant and family member, knowing your lowly estate – yet shown mercy and forgiveness, and unmerited favor by Jesus.

In Charismatic Christianity, you are just as much an incarnation of god as is Jesus Christ – and more, because greater things you will do. You own the permission to allow God to act – in other words, you’re more (l’havdil) god than (l’havdil) God.

Sorry, had to break into Hebrew for that. I could not bring myself to write such an uninterrupted blasphemy – let alone believe that.

So, here’s what’s going to happen. If you REALLY REALLY REALLY believe this with all your heart – God’s going to say, “Okay. Save yourself then.”

And it’s going to be up to you to keep yourself from going to Hell. Better pay your vows and make your faith declarations! And it better be a doozie of a faith seed you pay to Bennie Hinn! I’m talking trillions of trillions of dollars this month alone!

Because there’s no greater miracle that salvation.

There’s no greater gift given to men than the undeserved atonement done by Jesus Christ.

There is no other name by which we are saved.

And if you really, really, really believe firmly what Charismatic Christianity teaches, Jesus Christ will look you in the eyes when you meet Him face to face, and He’s going to say one terrifying phrase to you.

“Away with you. I never knew ye.”

Charity and Lakewood Church


But not to Joel Osteen.

Interestingly enough, he refused to open his megachurch to storm victims, but instead his website continued to encourage people to donate to him.

Um… he lives in a 17,000 square foot mansion. His church can seat tens of thousands of people.

Eventually, after being shamed by the press, he did open his church, and gave lame excuses.

And I understand social media went nuts over it. Someone created a graphic saying “You cannot serve God and mammon both.” And a picture of Osteen with the caption, “Challenge accepted!”

If I owned a church that size.. And a home that size… you know what? Let’s get people to donate sleeping bags. I just betcha that I could get 10,000 people to crash inside a warm, dry Lakewood Church – and probably another hundred or so in my house!

I don’t know how much Osteen is worth… but I’m pretty sure he could afford to put a few thousand aside to order food for everyone. Or order pizzas.

So it would cost a man (with what 50 million in savings), what, $250,000?

Ever consider the fact that maybe, just maybe, the Lord allowed Osteen to have that kind of wealth for just such a moment?

The owner of Dell computers donated $35 million for disaster relief. Not from his company, from his own bank account.

What if, just WHAT IF… Osteen had opened Lakewood as an emergency shelter, and then got up there after feeding everyone and preached a BIBLICAL gospel?

Sure, most would have just kept chewing and nodding, but a few might have gotten saved.

What’s it worth to you to not see someone burn in hell forever?

Osteen turned a golden moment to be a witness to Christ just ONCE in his life, into a moment to make Christianity look embarrassingly bad.

Rent 10,000 cots. Buy bulk food. Get church members busy in the kitchens. “Give them food, water. Someone go out to the thrift stores, get clothes. We’re giving stuff away today.”

That’s what Osteen should have done. That’s what I would have done. “Can we get stuff delivered by helicopter?”

See, this wasn’t about Joel Osteen, but about Jesus Christ. And Osteen made the Lord look bad.

At this point, Joel, it’s clear. You’re stealing someone else’s pulpit. Turn it over, and step down.

Or go to a seminary, open the books, LEARN something about the Bible, and stop preaching this “You need to get a bigger vision” recycled Norman Vincent Peale teachings.

Preach THE WORD. Be instant, in season and out of season!

Not health, wealth, and self esteem.

Robert Schuller eventually lost the Crystal Cathedral.

Lakewood is next.

A Biblical Examination of Pentecostalism #5

Last one for now! I’ll sneak some in later when nobody expects it.

Something I remember someone saying when I was attending a Messianic Synagogue (in the days before I was saved…)…

“Why have scientists never analyzed tongue speaking?”

Here’s the answer, some 20 years later: They have analyzed it many times. Each time they have disproved it.

Tongues. Technically known as Glossolalia.

Here’s an encounter I had with a co-worker, which I wrote about a few years ago.

Incidentally, someone at work wanted to argue with me. He brought up a radio show he’d heard about two Baptist pastors claiming we had the Bible all wrong. I’m glad they pointed it out – Godly men have been prayerfully studying the Bible all wrong for 2,000 years until these two jokers came along!

Anyway, the guy at work told me Baptists were wrong, because we don’t believe in speaking in tongues, and these two Baptist pastors were convinced we were wrong.

My response to him was to quote 1 Corinthians 12 – “Tongues will cease.”

He replied, “Well, that’s not for today.”

Wow, really? A Charismatic telling me tongues ceasing were not for today! I told him, “It says until that which is perfect is come. The Bible is described as perfect in the Psalms:

7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7 (KJV)

I was really trying to get out of the conversation – this kind of discussion is not permitted at work. But the fellow persisted.

“Well it also says that knowledge will cease. Do you know anything? If you do, then tongues are for today.”

I answered him patiently. “Will you know the Lord after the Millennium?”

He paused. “uhhh…. Yeah.”

“Then obviously we’re not sitting around in the eternity completely oblivious- that would describe death, not life. We’ll know the Lord, we’ll know the Gospel, we’ll know each other… So obviously this is not talking about knowledge as knowledge – this is talking about Word of Knowledge, the supernatural understanding of correct doctrine for the purpose of writing the New Testament – and that’s already written. That also covers the supernatural knowledge Peter showed with Ananias and Saphira.”

“Oh.” He shook his head. “Well, I haven’t studied it out.” That wasn’t quite true – he obviously had studied it to the point he thought he had a zinger that would stump me. That wasn’t the case. So he quickly got out of the conversation. Which was okay by me. If he wants to talk about it after work, excellent! During work… No. My employer does not permit it, and I honor that request.

With the understanding of Genesis, that tongues means languages Biblically, we see that supernatural manifestations of tongues was to speak in a language miraculously you did not know. The New Testament furthermore made the requirement that if you got the urge to suddenly speak in, say, Basque in the service, let the pastor know, and when permitted, speak. The requirement was that someone had to be there who was a native Basque speaker to understand it! This is what it means by “One to interpret”. If you wanted to speak in Basque, and had never learned it… But there was nobody there who spoke Basque… Then you should hold your tongue. God would bring that only if someone was there to interpret. This is a clear teaching of the New Testament.

What are tongues for?

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)

This means if you stand up in a Charismatic church and begin speaking in other tongues, you are in effect claiming someone in that church body is not saved. Your speaking in tongues is for them. If they do not speak that language – then you quite simply wasted your time, and it was not of God that you spoke in that tongue.

If it was not of God that you spoke in tongues, then who was it of?

We go to the first verse listed by Charismatics…

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:1-11 (KJV)

I’m not trying to paint a Libyan flag with the colors – but I wanted your eyes drawn to the very verses that discuss this. Each of the verses is in a different color to contrast them, and force the modern Bible reader into doing something that was common prior to the 20th century (reading one verse, or one thought at a time.)

I don’t know exactly the number of Pentacostal pastors who teach the two-tongue theory, and how many simply don’t differentiate. I attended a Charismatic church before I was saved (and I’ll be discussing this a lot as we go through this). My former pastor taught there was two different kinds of tongues, “Other tongues” and “unknown tongues”.

He would agree with me that “Speaking in other tongues” was – speaking in a language that you did not know, as supernatually enabled by the Holy Spirit. What he would not agree with me on, is that this gift is passed away, as the Bible said it would.

However, he advocated (consistent with most Pentacostals) that speaking in tongues also included “unknown” tongues, tongues that were not spoken on earth. Another name for this was “the tongues of angels”, speaking in a heavenly tongue.

While these terms are indeed used in the Bible, it is not an interpretation that can clearly be derived rom Scripture from context and usage. Indeed, the only usage of the few verses in the Bibles on this relatively unimportant gift all seem to be referencing the same thing, speaking in a language you don’t know.

I’ll digress briefly by telling you I remember a deacon in one of these churches (a Messianic “synagogue”) complaining why hasn’t anyone ever analyzed speaking in tongues so that it can be proven?

Getting back on topic, here’s the other verses on speaking in tongues. There’s not many.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. Acts 10:44-48 (KJV)

The last time, they were all Jews who spoke in tongues, in the presence of many unbelieving Jews. It was a sign for the unbelievers that God was with the 11 Apostles, and that truly everything they spoke about the Gospel was of God.

This time, Jews are still present. The people speaking this time are Gentiles. It is a sign that salvation is not limited to Jews. That may sound odd to today’s hearers, but it would have been a truly hot button topic back in those days.

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve. Acts 19:1-7 (KJV)

That’s the last verse talking about speaking in tongues in the Bible, except for 1 Corinthians. I’ve already dealt with this one in detail.

Again, the question would be, who is there? All Jewish. This took place in relative proximity to a synagogue, as we see from verse 8:

8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. Acts 19:8 (KJV)

So, who do we have? Disciples of John (all Jewish), Paul… and in relative proximity to unbelieving Jews. Now the “Why” question. Why did they speak in tongues here?

for a sign to unbelieving Jews, and to all others, that God had called Paul to be an apostle. There is no record anywhere else in the Bible of anyone recieving the gift of tongues.

To say they continue today when they do not fit the definition, use, method or practice is inaccurate to say the least.

A Biblical Examination of Pentecostalism #4

One more after this!

Let’s go to Ernest Angely, for his defense of speaking in tongues from the Bible. The chronology is going to raise some eyebrows.

Ten years after Pentecost, the Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Ghost; the Holy Ghost also testified through them when He came in… (Acts 10:44-46). Twenty five years later we find some people receiving the same Holy Ghost in the same way. He took over their vocal organs and spoke in another tongue. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues (Acts 19:6) (

ten years plus twenty five years is thirty five years. I know, math is not my strong suite anymore (I used ta be really good at it) but I’m getting 35 years, even using a slide rule and a scientific calculator.

Acts runs from 30 AD to 60 AD.

I don’t know about you, but Ernest Angely is putting Acts 19 at 65 AD… five years after Acts was written! Acts ends abruptly as Paul is put to death before Luke continues writing. Why didn’t Luke write about Paul’s death? Easy one… the Holy Spirit stopped moving Luke to write after Paul reaches Rome.

Mr. Angely is off by about 9 years, according to Ramsey, and off by about 15 years by some other accounts that puts Paul’s missionary journeys earlier in time. I’ll go by the latter date and give Mr. Angely the benefit of the doubt.

The last Biblically recorded example of speaking in tongues is around 56 AD. After that, it vanishes from the earth.

There is no place in the Bible that tells us the method has been changed… (Ernest Angley)

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 1 Corinthians 13:8 (KJV)

There’s a verse in the Bible saying that tongues would cease. It was written in 55 AD. In 56 AD Paul witnesses to and converts disciples of John, and they speak in tongues. No mention is made of speaking in tongues after this. After 1 Corinthians, there is no tongues speaking in the Bible.

It ceased.