“Christianity may be defined as a Euro-Gentile, psycho-philisophical vehicle of spiritual and intellectual enslavement which has as its end three things .the first thing it has as its end is the cultural and racial superiority of the people who created it.”
We’re resuming our answering of Dr. Ray Hagins. Let me start by sating if you’re expecting me to research whether Dr. Hagin’s doctorate is valid or not, the answer is no. I’m here to answer the message, not to attack the man. I have enough pity for him, because I’m very afraid that unless the Lord does a miracle and softens this man’s heart, Dr. Hagins is in for a world of hurt at the end of this age, when the unbelieving are cast into the lake of fire for all eternity. Whether his doctorate is valid or not has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. Even if someone were to prove to me that he didn’t have one, I’m ready to credit him as having one if he at least spent 1,200 hours in the study of the Bible. okay, moving on.
Did anyone spot the first two errors in his statement? we’re at 13:17 in the video from 2 days ago. There’s already so many errors and fallacies in his arguments that I could easily go months analyzing his seminar and tearing it apart. I will say that I am offended by the disdain and sarcasm in his voice as he speaks of our Saviour.
Error number 1: Dr. Hagins assumes that the Gospel was invented by Gentiles. Well, Jesus Christ is not a Gentile. He is Jewish. Next, the 12 apostles (Judas included) were all Jewish. Paul was Jewish. James and Jude were Jewish. Luke is believed to have been a convert to Judaism, and therefore is Jewish. Mark was Jewish. None of them were Gentile.
Error number 2: Dr. Hagins assumes Christianity to have been created. It was not. It is the recording of facts concerning Jesus Christ being the Messiah of the Jews, and His efficacious atoning sacrifice for sins.
“The second thing is the paralysis of analysis. C’mon say it with me…. The paralysis of analysis means you don’t think!”
Error number three. Dr. Hagins has tendered an accusation that Christians do not think. They just accept what is told them without thinking critically.
2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Acts 17:2 (KJV)
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Acts 18:4 (KJV)
19 And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews. Acts 18:19 (KJV)
25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee. Acts 24:25 (KJV)
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. Acts 17:10-12 (KJV)
In reality, Christianity is a religion, a truth, where very often we reason with those who do not accept Jesus Christ. We persuade men, reasoning with them as enjoined in 1 Peter 3:15. The history books relate many examples of those who sought to disprove the Bible and ended up convinced by it, such as Lee Strobel, Josh McDowell, and several influential lawyers and judges, who have written of their explorations of the truth of Christianity.
“the third thing is… the perpetual empowerment… of the agenda intended by it.”
Dr. Hagins now is stating there is an agenda behind Christianity. Again, like his previous two assertions, he has offered nothing in the way of proof there is any validity behind his claims. It is interesting to me that by forcing the audience to repeat his points without giving them time to think about it, he has now overcome any critical objections to the message he is presenting – a slight form of mental manipulation akin to a mild form of hypnosis.
I find it extremely interesting that by using this technique, Dr. Hagins is himself doing what he claims “they” are doing in Christianity.
The horrible thing is, countless people are being led astray by him.
What is the agenda behind Christianity? To state that Christianity has an agenda, one must analyze the entire message of Christianity. There is no governing of populations intended in Christianity – indeed, it goes so far as to state it will be powerless against the world until the return of Jesus Christ. There is nothing in the Bible about a “Superiority” of the white race, as opposed to Mormonism – indeed, the Bible draws only two distinctions, between that of Jew and Gentile. And ALL are included in its gospel message.
The Bible makes that abundantly clear.
So what’s the agenda behind Christianity? simple. There isn’t one. So Dr. Hagins has so far managed to get four out of four assertions he’s made completely wrong. He’s not doing so good, making four errors out of a possible four.
at 16:51, Dr. Hagins relates a saying about Harriet Tubman (whom I did a verbal report on in 3rd grade, BTW!) saying she freed 300 slaves – and would have freed 300 more if they had realized they were slaves.
The Fifth error Dr. Hagins is making is in his assertion from 14:30 to 16:51 that Christians are slaves. His implication is that it is only the black Christians who are slaves. In truth, I would say that to be slaves, there must be a slave master. His assertion is that it is white society who is our master. I will answer and say – it is Jesus Christ, who is both a Jewish man and God Himself in the flesh, who is our master.
If Christianity has made us slaves, it is a voluntary bond-servant relationship, and it is only with our consent that we make ourselves the Doulos, servants, of the Lord Jesus Christ. If Dr. Hagins’ assertion was correct, then Christians of all types would be valued and rewarded by society – as according to his wild theories, we would be placing ourselves in the position of being exactly where white society wants us. And if so, white society itself would not be so quick to join it.
Yet this is not the case at all, as the western world is making itself increasingly intolerant (in the name of tolerance) to Christianity. Black Americans, Canadians, and British persons are finding themselves increasingly isolated, the object of organized legal opposition, harassing and spurious lawsuits, and deprived of one right after another in favor of *****, which is pursuing its normal routine of attempting to force its new host country to change laws favoring its own religion, and stripping all the rights slowly of all other religions, eventually forcing its adherents to submit to forced conversion.
Christianity is also beset by secular humanism, which has gone from being simply a philosophy that Christianity is opposed to, to a force that is intent on legislating Christianity out of existence.
If white society in Britain, America and Canada had an agenda to hold down its black population by a system designed to hold its population in mental slavery… why then would it begin afflicting the members of that religion in such a way that we can only conclude that the nations of the UK and North America are engaged in systematic Christian persecution? His assertion not only has no evidence, it has much in the way of evidence against it!
As we’ll see, if I can finish this section on Dr. Hagins soon, his main theory is this – Christianity was designed by Rome for this express purpose. Oh, and Rome knew in advance America was going to exist?
It’s a silly theory, when you really analyze it. For starters, in the year of the Nicean council, Rome had actual legal slavery. They didn’t need some kind of system to hold Africans in slavery – they had laws permitting it.
The concept of slavery, abhorrent to the modern Western mind, is one of taking the conquered and making them your salves, triumphing over them by forcing them to do the work of your society. The reality is, that the Romans had FAR MORE Jewish slaves than African. Literally, the fact I am alive tells you that my ancestors were taken to Rome in the first few boats. It got to the point where the slave markets could not even give Jewish slaves away, there were so many of them in AD 70. So the Roman slave merchants simply tossed their Jewish cargo overboard to drown when they found they had an unsellable cargo.
The number of Africans in Rome was exceedingly small, outnumbered by Middle Eastern slaves, Thracians, Greeks, French, British, Germans, etc. The number of white slaves outnumbered black slaves in Rome probably by a ratio of 500 to 1.
So Dr. Hagins’ theory falls flat on its face historically, in that if he is correct and it was invented by the Romans (under intense persecution by its own government, where conversion to Christianity was often a death sentence), it would have been far more likely for it to have been aimed at the most populous group in slavery at the time…
So, let me see if I can restate Dr. Hagins’ main assertion, corrected for historical facts. Christianity offered images of the conquering race of the Jews, to keep the Jews slaves mentally to the Romans, a position already enforced by law. And if they did accept Christianity, they were persecuted, set afire, crucified, tortured, raped, forced to fight in woefully unequal gladiatorial combat where the entire intent was to kill Christians so horribly that it would dissuade the population from accepting it. Oh, and if the African slaves want to buy into it too, that’s a bonus. And we’ll start persecuting them as well.
It’s got to be the STUPIDEST theory I’ve ever heard in my life, so self contradicting it’s amazing. It’s also got to be by far the most convoluted, illogical, self refuting conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard. Dr. Hagins should actually be offering tinfoil hats to everyone who attends his seminars. Compared to this, the various Kennedy Assassination theories seem logical and rational by comparison (Grassy Knoll, Two Shooter, Patsy theory, and the like).
returning to the video…
Dr. Hagins further attempts to brainwash his audience by repeatedly making them repeat his slogans. He’s already attempted to reach the audience by attempting to make himself seem likeable, someone they can identify with by speaking of common themes of his childhood. Having placed them in a warm, accepting mood, he moves to brainwashing techniques by making them constantly repeat his phrases. Another example is 17:36. I’d like to have an expert in mental conditioning and hypnosis watch the video, and get their opinion of his controlling techniques. Hagins is right, there is mental conditioning going on… but not by Christians. Rather, it is by Dr. Hagins himself.
here is his phrase he made them repeat…. “When you adopt a god who is not in your own image, when you embrace literature that teaches you to hate yourself, and love your enemy, when your oppressor and saviour, when your god and enslaver, are one and the same, you become the principle agent in your own destruction.”
See how he has literally listened carefully to Satan, trying to aim this exclusively at Christianity, the only religion that can save??? This cannot be aimed at any other religion.
It is also interesting to me that Hagins admits that he is using a brainwashing technique at 18:00 into the video. Since many in the audience were refusing to repeat the phrase, he exhorts the audience, singling out the refusers in a slight form of ridicule (“Some don’t want to wake up!!!”), and makes them repeat the phrase AGAIN.
I do note that Dr. Hagins never studied Greek, as he mispronounces “logos”.
at 20:43, Hagins states authoritatively, “To this day, there is no historical data , archaeological, or biographical evidence in existence to substantiate the life of ANYONE called Jesus the Christ.”
His fifth (or sixth, depending on how you’re counting this) is his grossest error yet. Yesterday, I gave only a small sampling of the evidence. The Talmud says Jesus existed. Suetonius says he existed. Proof can be found in the change of the Roman laws about grave robbing. Josephus says he existed. Tacitus says he existed. The New Testament says he existed. There are inscriptions dating back to the 1st century AD – within the time of Jesus Christ – where not only is Jesus’s name mentioned, but the actual attribution of the title “God” is given to Christ in the same inscription!
Many historians have examined the existence of Jesus Christ – these are the professionals, who know how to research this and how to document it properly – and have concluded that not only is Jesus Christ’s existence unquestioned, but the evidence for His crucifixion is one of the most historically attested events in history. And many have also concluded the same about the Resurrection. Yesterday, I even re-posted the information, to set this up so you could see how completely wrong Dr. Hagins is!
Dr. Hagins has made six assertions so far, each one demonstrably incorrect. His entire theory is based upon this one fact, his belief that Jesus Christ did not exist. The fact that historians agree he did exist does not seem to slow Hagins, or give him any pause whatsoever.
Dr. Hagins offers a quote from someone I’ve never heard of, a John Mackenzie, who attempts to claim that the data for Jesus’ existence does not exist, This is a fallacious argument called “Appeal to authority.” If I quote someone, anyone, it is given prestige because I’m quoting someone. However, the person must be credible, the source must be credible, and the facts must be credible, or the argument becomes fallacious.
Dr. Hagins also repeats the tired old assertion that Mark was written first, and not Matthew. He also says John was not added until the 4th century.
He’s even more incorrect here. The early Christian writers claim Matthew was written first, and I see no reason to doubt them. Indeed, they claim Matthew was written in Hebrew first – and we do have a fragment of the Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew, dating to the year 38 AD. If Mark was written first, it would have to have been written prior to then – making it even more of an unquestioned source than Hagins is willing to give it credit for!
He’s also showing his ignorance, in that we have letters by early Christian writers, dating back to 120 AD, listing the entire accepted canon of the New Testament. If Dr. Hagins is correct – and so far he’s batting seven wrong out of seven – then we have a problem, in that the Gospel of John was named as being part of the Bible three centuries before it was written!
Few scholars today even bother considering the liberal dating theories of Wellhausen for New Testametn texts. Considering we have fragments of John dating back before 330 AD, his entire theory is destroyed by ugly facts that he never bothered to verify. Hagin has 8 out of 8 contentions wrong, at only 22 minutes into the video!
his work must be the shoddiest researching I’ve ever seen. Again, all of his (il)logical conclusions make sense only when viewing history backwards. When we do what scholars do (and Hagins is, by using his doctorate title attempting to pass himself off as one) and look at the original time FORWARD, his fallacies become evident – and even embarrassing! To be THAT wrong with your basic conclusions right in the first 20% of your video is inexcusable. He couldn’t have gotten more wrong if he’d tried!
Since Dr. Hagins is going to build upon these theories, let me state again – he’s been wrong on every cardinal point he’s raised. Had he been more careful in his research, he could have spared himself a lot of embarrassment. If he’s so sure about his theories, let him debate Geissler, Ham, Habermas, Campbell, Craig or even McDowell, and see how well he does. McDowell would eat him alive, and Craig would humiliate him in a debate in a matter of minutes (William Lane Craig is not too gentle in debates). I think Campbell would let him down in a much gentler method, but it would still be embarrassing for Dr. Hagins.
I think at this point, I can say I’ve utterly demolished all of Hagin’s arguments, as they proceed to build even farther upon the cardinal points I’ve already refuted. Since everything Hagins’ advocates is built upon faulty premises, it is what is known as in logic the “house of cards” argument – when you remove all the legs of the argument, the entire argument collapses on itself quickly.
If anyone is interested in my continuing to analyze this video, let me know. But I think at this point I’ve utterly destroyed his arguments.
I’d like to ask this – there are 98 followers of this blog. Please pray Dr. Hagins will lose his rebelliousness, and get saved. Because he’s facing a very long and horrific future if he does not.