A Biblical Examination of Pentecostalism 3


Just a couple more, I promise.

Pentacostal Objection #2 – “What about all those people who were saved in Acts? Every one of them spoke in tongues afterwards?”

No. There are only three recorded times anyone spoke in tongues. And there is no record of those people speaking in tongues AFTER that.

The Phillipian Jailor did not speak in tongues after he was saved.

The Eunuch in the chariot did not speak in tongues.

Only the disciples of John, the Apostles themselves, and Cornelius the Centurion and his household. That was it.

There is no record of Cornelius speaking in tongues ever again.

Or the Apostles of John.

As a matter of fact, only Paul is recorded as pseaking in tongues after Acts. And then only during one of his first books, 1 Corinthians.

And its plain that Paul championed love and doctrine FAR above tongues speaking.

Pentacostal Objection #3

“The Bible says the sprit would testify and we will bear witness.”

Good point! How are you going to bear witness if you’re speaking in a language you don’t understand? And the person who you’re babbling at has no earthly idea what you’re saying?

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 1 Corinthians 14:19 (KJV)

Like, “Jesus died for your sins.”

A Biblical Examination of Pentacostalism 2


Yesterday we talked about speaking in tongues. The way we dealt with it will satisfy Fundamentalists, who are used to analyzing things from the Bible. It won’t satisfy one Pentacostalist out there, so I’m going to explain this for another three days or so, then quit and go to something else.

Pentacostal Objection #1 – You say tongues will cease. But the same verse says knowledge will vanish, and I still know things.

Answer – Explained that yesterday, you either didn’t make it that far, or didn’t like what I said. It’s not going to change things at all.

The word knowledge there is γνῶσις Gnosis, to know. Their are other Greek words for knowledge, and they continue straight through to the Enternity. Greek words and English words are not the same – it is a series of sounds that connect to a concept, and Koine Greek is astoundingly precise. I can use the words “Recognize” “Understand”, “Know” and each is a different word for a different concept, but in a similar grouping or construct. The WORDS are different, but the concepts similar.

One Greek word for knowledge is Oida, which can be found in Rev. 21:22. Note the word Knowledge is not used there, because the translators of the King James were astoundingly learned men. They understood rules of Greek that aren’t even TAUGHT anymore!.

So, will knowledge pass away? No.

But word of knowledge will. and already has, and that’s what 1 Cor. 13:8 is speaking of.

Any Pentacostal who tries to tell me there’s no such thing as “word of knowledge”, brother, I’m not buying it. You all use it whenever someone claims to know everything about you. It’s not working.

If you don’t believe me, let me ask YOU a question…

Do you REALLY believe that when the New Heavens and the New Earth are created, there is no sun, no temple, no moon, no darkness…

…that you’re going to be lying around, drooling? “Duhhhhh….”

What does that mean to you that you won’t have knowledge??? You just won’t know anything anymore? Like someone with an overly enthusiastic lobotomy?

Obviously not.

The Bible says tongues will cease.

And they did.

A Biblical Examination of Pentacostalism


A lot of this was done earlier under my 21 part study of Word Faith. Many pentacostals list themselves as Pentacostal, and say they’re not Word Faith or “positive confessionalism”.

But there’s VERY little attempt in Pentacostal churches to deal with making sure the doctrine of the church is correct. I say this, because they wouldn’t stay Pentacostal very long.

One thing I’d read from David Cloud and a few other teachers such as John Macarthur, was that Pentacostals place experience over doctrine. I’d read that Pentacostals, when challenged that the Bible teaches something else, will invariably retort, “Then you need to put away your Bible and trust your feelings!”

I always figured it was bombast, until I experienced an exchange that said exactly that!

First Rule of whether you’re in a Biblical church or not – if you cannot prove your church’s doctrine from the Bible, then you need to throw that doctrine out.

The standard methodology of Pentecostalism is to tell a sinner who needs the Lord, “You need to get saved.”

Absolutely no problems there. At all. Agree 100%.

“Pray this prayer…”

uh-oh. A little worrying, but I’ll keep my mouth shut. Let’s see what happens.

“Now, after your saved, you need to seek a second, subsequent blessing, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.”

Stop. Back up the bus, boo boo.

Find me that anywhere in the Bible. Where do we see a second subsequent blessing?

Pentecostals will point out a single verse, but I’m going to take a minute and lead up to that.

There’s only 3 passages where people in the Bible speak in tongues. Acts 2, Acts 10, and Acts 19.

When I first found that out, it blew my mind.

Because when I first thought I was saved, I attended a local church, where people seemed EXCITED about God. That’s why I joined. It was Pentecostal, and Word Faith. Indeed, it was an offshoot/church plant (kind of) from a megachurch that was word faith.

They taught me that in Acts, every time someone was saved, they spoke in tongues. They put a lot of pressure on me to speak in tongues. I tried it.

Later, I began to learn Hebrew and found that what I was speaking all along was, well… nonsense. That’s okay, they said… you have to speak nonsense!

Why?

Because if you know what you’re praying, the Devil can hinder it. And so the Spirit prays in a heavenly language that you can’t understand so Satan can’t hinder your prayers!

My reaction should have been to look that up in the Bible. That can’t be found in the Bible at all.

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Acts 2:1-8 (KJV)

The Apostles and Disciples were all speaking in known tongues. “Tongues” in the Bible means “languages.”

γλῶσσα of uncertain affinity; the tongue; by implication a language (specially one naturally unacquired) :- tongue.

Glossa means tongue, language. Speaking in tongues means speaking in languages.

So for me to say to someone, “Hola, Como Esta Usted???” is speaking in tongues.

1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, 2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. 3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. 4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. 5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: 6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do. Acts 10:1-6 (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Acts 10:34-46 (KJV)

For those who glossed over the Bible verses trying to get to Philip’s point,… go back and read. You’ve got your priorities wrong! The word of God is silver purified seven times. Read it.

A Roman gentile… is praying to God, and seeking God. He is told to send for Peter, a Jew. Peter comes with Jews to Cornelius’s house. Get’s halfway through a Gospel presentation. Cornelius begins speaking in tongues.

Peter makes a long speech. What is the essence of that speech?

“Oh wow! God can save Gentiles, too!!!!!”

Read it. Isn’t that what it says?

How do they know? Cornelius begins speaking in a language that the Jews know.

If I’m telling you about how WONDERFUL Wordsearch 11 is and you begin to foam at the mouth and “oogle loogle lailailai!!!!” I’m going to dial 911, because I’m afraid you just had a seizure or something.

So, Cornelius is speaking in a language, testifying about Jesus Christ. He just manifested the Biblical expression of speaking in tongues – speaking in a language you do not know, but someone else present does.

Where do I get that from?

Acts 2, of course. And Acts 10. “they heard them…. magnify God.” To hear them magnify God means they were just speaking a language that the Jews knew, but didn’t expect a Roman to know. Hebrew or Aramaic. I’d joke and say Yiddish, but someone would take me seriously.

Bottom line… they weren’t saying “Bubblyaida.”

Let’s go to the third and LAST time anyone in the Bible spoke tongues.

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve. Acts 19:1-7 (KJV)

Okay! There you go. That’s the only times anyone in the Bible spoke in tongues.

And incidentally, we’ve uncovered the only passage that can be shown to be a “second, subsequent blessing” if you’re reading it wrong.

Let’s read it correctly.

Disciples.

Whose?

John’s.

Not Jesus’s. They KNEW about Jesus, because John spent his ministry prophesying about Jesus, and incidentally, to make the people ready, encouraged them to mikveh. To submerge themselves under water for ritual purification.

Paul tells them about it. And gives a Gospel message – you should believe in the one John prophesied of, Jesus Christ.

Analysis… were the disciples of John saved?

No.

Paul gives a Gospel message there – that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

They were then baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Not a mikveh, a self immersion, but a burying and resurrection of the dead, as Christian baptism is – being immersed by someone else.

They then speak in tongues.

Analysis – who is present in all three times people spoke in tongues?

Answer – Jews.

Who is not present at almost every Pentecostal speaking in tongues?

Same answer – Jews.

That’s kind of a problem. Tongues are a sign gift, for those who do not believe. And it was a minor gift. Prophesy was the more encouraged.

Each time someone spoke in tongues in Acts, it serves a purpose. Acts 2, that Jesus is Messiah. Acts 10, that Gentiles can be saved. Acts 19, that Paul is truly an apostle. That subject was hotly debated in the early churches, because he was not present during the earthly ministry of Jesus. And others rose up, claiming to be apostles, and they disputed Paul’s apostleship. Where do I get that? Ephesians and Colossians and… in several epistles, actually.

Bottom line about tongues is this… this is the Bible, not Philip. Philip can be wrong. The Bible cannot be wrong.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 1 Corinthians 13:8 (KJV)

the gift of prophecy will fail.

The word of Knowledge will vanish away. This does not refer to understanding, but rather to the divine gift that Peter experienced in the case of Ananias and Sapphirus.

1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5:1-5 (KJV)

οἶδα is found in quite a few verses in the Eternity…

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Revelation 21:22 (KJV)

but λόγος γνῶσις cannot be found after this verse…

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV)

So the divine spiritual gift of word of knowledge vanished away very quickly.

Why? Did its job. It established the fact that the Apostles spoke truth, and that God was with them.

So knowledge in 1 Corinthians 13:8 does not refer to understanding or recognition, but rather the divine gift of Word of Knowledge.

So what’s left…

Tongues will cease.

Going through me archives!


So, I went back through my archives, and found that although I’ve been writing this blog since 2012 on my hard drive (actually, on my HP MIni 210 laptop), and then finally took it live in august 2013.

My initial blog series’ on Messianics, Word Faith, Atheism, and Roman Catholics were all put online in August 2013, 100% completed.

I think that was a mistake. fortunately, I re-addressed the Messianic and Atheism in much more detail later on.

My addons to the Roman Catholicism articles inpsired some fiery responses from Roman Catholic apologists. And my re-addressing the Atheists some interesting exchanges.

The Messianics tried one or two exchanges with me, and realized they were out of their depth VERY quickly, except for two who I cut off because, well as I’ve explained many times, the Lord commands Christians to answer a heretic once or twice and then reject.

Now I’m thinking about the Word Faith series and the Roman Catholic one. I wish even though I’d written them all in earlier 2012 and 2013, I’d done them live, one at a time. I guess at the time my thoughts were, ‘get everything I’d written online’.

Oh, well.

Pastor Chides Christians Who Read Filthy Gossip on Internet and Believe It


Pastor Chides Christians Who Read Filthy Gossip on Internet and Believe It

“Anybody can write on the Internet. And the people who write on the Internet are people who would not have a platform, unless they put my name, or Bill Hybels’ name, or T.D. Jakes’ name in it.”

Well, you know, I’m doing a whole lot more than just writing articles about T. D. Jakes.

The Bible commands me to … 17  Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. 19  For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil. Romans 16:17-19 (KJV)

So, the Bible commands me to mark those who teach false doctrine, who “…cause divisions and offences contrary to doctrine.”

Matter of fact, I’ve listed verse upon verse repeatedly where the Bible tells me to do this. You can be  “Fired up about this” all you want.

Number one… it’s not gossip to warn about a false teacher. If I take an exception to the teachings of a heretic, hey, i’m in good company. This is another case of the “judge not” heresy that today’s Christianity is wallowing in.

Number two… it’s not gossip to quote a false teacher, and give the sources to where they said it. I even have audio files of some of these sayings. There are fellow apologists who don’t use a blog, but use Youtube, and actually give the exact filmclips of the people saying these things.

That’s not gossip, my friend.

You prefaced your comments by saying that Christians believe everything they read on the internet, and that I would have no platform without invoking Rick Warren’s name or your name. I’ve… never heard of you before today, so I have absolutely nobody reading anything about you.

Matter of fact, nobody out there on the internet is saying, “Philip Dean??? Who’s he? Oh, wait, he’s writing about Rick Warren, so I better go read him!!!”

About three quarters of my writings is apologetics work, and not even dealing with Rick Warren, T. D. Jakes, etc.

When T. D Jakes tells his listeners that Jesus became the sin of a pedophile, do you agree with him doctrinally on that? Do you believe when TD Jakes tells his listeners Jesus Christ became so evil God could not look on him? I heard that on a telecast with my own ears. Jesus Christ could not stop being God, or He was never God to begin with. God cannot be evil. Jesus Christ is God, second person of the Trinity, so therefore, the Bible is saying He became the penalty of sin, in the manner of shadows and types (remember that six month course in Seminary on Shadows, types, antitypes?) He made these statements on his tv broadcast “The Darkest Day”. I would give exact quotes, but alas… I cannot find the text of that broadcast.

Now, if I put the quote up there so people could read it… how does it make it gossip?

And you make a statement Christians believe everything they read on the internet… let me tell you, most of my readers probably only accept about 60% of what I say. And hopefully, you all are checking my words against the Bible.

I… whenever possible… give the exact quote and the source, so someone can actually look up what the person said, to confirm it.

Should someone believe it if they read the quote??? And if they can look up the source of it?

It’s not gossip then… it’s a quote.

Paul and John rebuked false teachers by name in the New Testament. I do it too, because that’s the biblical example.

Because your famous, does that make you untouchable? Your entire premise worries me.

The Word Faith Movement Examined 11


A note – on this page I provide hyperlinks to check the veracity of quotes I will give. These hyperlinks are only for the purposes of verifying my sources. I do not endorse everything on these websites. Use caution.Central to the Word Faith movement is that of positive confessionalism. In other words, the theory claims that you have the creative force to speak something into existence.

The theory is complicated, which should be a clue it is not of God. The roots of it go back to Smith Wigglesworth, Finis J. Dake, Mormonism and Mary Baker Eddy/Christian Science.

Why do I include the last two?

Because essentially, the movement claims at its basis the following unScriptural doctrines – the source of those teachings is in parentheses:

  1. Faith is a substance, like Gravity (E. W. Kenyon)
  2. God spoke Faith, causing the Universe to spring into being. By His positive confession of faith, the Universe created itself. (E. W. Kenyon / Dake)
  3. God reproduced Himself on earth, creating a race of Little Gods. (Mormonism)
  4. When we sinned in the garden, we gave the legal right to the world over to Satan, and God had to – pause – retreat from this world. I added the pause, because there was no way I was going to write out such an uninterrupted blasphemy. (Kenneth Hagin / Mormonism)
  5. Because God supposedly is not in our Universe, He supposedly can do nothing unless we give Him permission to do it. (Hagin/Kenyon)
  6. we lost our legal rights ot be gods in this world, because Satan owns it. Our nature was exchanged for Satan’s nature. (Mormonism)
  7. Jesus, the perfect man, had to die and go to Hell for three days, He became sin itself on the Cross, and had to suffer in Hell for three days. (Kenyon)
  8. In Hell, Jesus became the first born-again Man, and through His newly restored Godhood, left Hell, paying the way for us to enter heaven. (Kenyon/Hagin)
  9. Since God’s will is for us to be healthy and wealthy, the Gospel is the healing is ours when we permit it. And if we speak money into existance, it will happen. (Christian Science / New Thought)
  10. We are the same as Jesus, the first Born Again man – except we will do mightier works. After all, are we not gods? (Mormonism / Christian Science)
  11. And since the Bible says “Ye will do greater things than me…”, the average Word Faith practitioner is BETTER than Jesus! (Hagin / Copeland / Price)

The answer is… no, not by a long shot! And anyone that can espouse this nonsense will not be entering Heaven. Notice they are worshipping a false god, a false Jesus, a false Gospel. I’m going to prove it.

The false god of Word Faith, notice, is not the God of the Bible.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:1-5 (KJV)

Notice the God of the Bible creates the Universe from nothing. He is omnipotent, meaning “all powerful”.

The false god of Word Faith has to use existing forces, “Faith”. He does not have all power. He must use what someone else made – who it is is unknown. and in the Word Faith universe… the universe makes itself. It has to, in obedient response to god’s positive confession of faith. Who does their false God have faith in??? Obviously someone higher than himself. The god of the Word Faith movement is not the God of the Bible.

The God of the Bible dwells in Heaven, but is everywhere at once. He is omnipresent.

The false god of Word Faith dwelt on Earth when he made it, and had to flee when “Legal rights” were given over to Satan. He now dwells on a planet. No doubt the Bible is named Kolob, as the Mormons teach. So far, the entire creation of the world account as given by Word Faith teachers is amazingly reminiscent of those given by the Book of Mormon.

Where did these “Legal rights” come from? Where were they created? Where did, according to Word Faith teachers, Satan come from? They don’t say.

Who enforces these legal rights the Word Faith teachers talk about? They speak of a “Supreme court of the universe…” Who is that? Who is so powerful that God has to obey their legal decisions?

translation – there are other gods, each with their own planets. Right out of the Book of Mormon. I’ll be providing these quotes later on, trust me,

That’s not the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible does not retreat or flee. The God of the Bible is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. All powerful, all knowing, everywhere at once.

The Word Faith teachers will say things like “Jesus, the perfect man.” I don’t know who they’re talking about. It’s not the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible. And as Justin Peters repeats in his A Call To Discernment videos, “If it is a different Jesus, it is a different Gospel, and a different Gospel cannot save.”

The Lord Jesus Christ in the Bible is more than a man. The Lord Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, Emmanuel. He is eternally pre-existent. The Lord Jesus Christ existed before the creation of the universe.

the “Perfect man” Jesus sounds more like the Christian Science “Jesus”. Perfect, the first “born again man.” That’s crucial to the word faith teachers, as it makes the miracles the Lord did available to all of us… for a love offering of $1,000 or higher. I actually have a video of a Word Faith teacher dismissing a $1,000 offering as “nothing – we’ve got people on Welfare vowing that – and paying it!!!”

They don’t always come out and add the last part, but if you listen closely, it’s in there. Always indirectly hinted at. More often than not, they come out and say it. “send me a thousand dollars.” We’re years away from Marjoe Gortner, who confessed in his documentary, “Just ask for ten dollars in a cookie jar. Because there’s at least 5 little old ladies in every city who’s got five dollars in a cookie jar, and they’ll send it to you. You can make $5,000 in a month doing that.” Greed has pushed the Wird Faith teachers into asking for the $1,000 right now – because apparently if you have 5 people in every city with it, and you’re in 40 cities on Cable – well, you’ll make $200,000 a month! Marjoe is probably thinking to himself he got out way too soon.

The Word Faith movement Jesus is a false Jesus, another Jesus, as the Bible says. To quote Justin Peters, “Another Jesus, another gospel.” The Bible says that anyone who preaches another gospel is to be accursed. In other words, they themselves are not born again.

What is faith?

1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

Indeed, this is the verse taken out of context and misused by Word Faith teachers.

Heb 11:1 εστιν δε πιστις ελπιζομενω υποστασις πραγματων ελεγχος ου βλεπομενων

The word we’ll be dealing wtih here is not πιστις Pistis, Faith, but rather… υποστασις Hupostasis (For some reasn, the diacritic is not showing up…. sorry… it really starts with an H sound).

Hupostasis, (Hoo po Stah sis) is a compound of two Greek words Hupo and Histemi. Hupo means under, through. Histemi means to stand, to be in place, established. Indeed, Apostasy comes from a usage of Histemi meaning “to move from where you stood”, “To deviate from the correct standing”. I mention this on purpose, by the way.

So Hupostasis would then mean to be established in understanding. “Confidence” or “Assurance” would be another word for it.

I’ve listed the verses where this word is used. The bolded word is Hupostasis.

4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting. 2 Corinthians 9:4 (KJV)

17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. 2 Corinthians 11:17 (KJV)

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Hebrews 1:3 (KJV)

14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; Hebrews 3:14 (KJV)

The Bible is not, then, saying “substance” in the way that electrons are a “Substance”. The concept is that “Faith” then would be something you could hold in your hand, like water.

This is an incorrect view, as you could plainly see for yourself by examining Hupostasis in context in the other 4 verses it is used in. If the Word Faith teachers all had the Websters 1828, like Fundamentalists do, they would know it means:

“The essential part; the main or material part. In this epitome, we have the substance of the whole book.”

now faith is (The essential part) of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (paraphrase, to give understanding to the words used in the authorized version)

When you say your Word Faith god is speaking in faith, you are in essence (that word essence right there would have been Hupostasis in the Greek, by the way) claiming that your little G god had confidence in something other than himself. In other words, the god of the Word Faith movement had to have a God of his own! Meaning the Word Faith movement god was a created being, who exalted himself to the place of God.

And indeed they are Biblically correct here – there is indeed a created being who exalted himself to the place of God:

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah 14:13-14 (KJV)

The Bible actually gives the name of this created being in the previous verse, and even tells what the result of his “positive confession” that he is a little god will be!

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV)

Let’s test this further. We have a created being who exalts himself into the place of god, and gives a positive confession that he is a little god. Does he teach others the same thing?

1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:1-5 (KJV)

So the very first cardinal doctrine of the Word Faith movement is refuted right off the bat!

I’m going to further show that the Word Faith movement is incompatible with Christianity, and indeed is the antithesis of Biblical Christianity.

Biblical Christianity says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, the wages of sin is death, God commendeth His love in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us, and those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. That’s the Romans Road, a boiling down of the Gospel into a few seconds. It places the burden on Man, in that we are sinners, and the wages of sin is death. God gave us a way to salvation through the propitiairy sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. By repenting of our sins and our sinful ways and turning to the Lord, confessing His name and pleading with Him to save us, we have faith in the Lord to save us by His grace. That’s the Gospel.

Word Faith says that god created the world by the speaking of his mouth, but we, little gods all, gave away the legal right of this world to Satan. So the god of Word Faith, unable to interfere in this world without our permission sent a man named Jesus to die and go to Hell and be punished for us. while in Hell this man Jesus became born again, and resumed his original nature as a god. So we, when we are born again, are little gods again. The god of the Word Faith movement requires our mighty permission to act in this world, and when we speak this faith substance, we create just as the Word Faith god created – and when we pray, we give this powerless god the ability to act in this world.

Biblical Christianity gives God the glory, and boasts of the mightiness of God. Word Faith gives man the glory, and claims god is powerless. It is a different God, a different Jesus, a different Gospel.

The Bible warned that false teachers would arise, bringing false gospels.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Acts 20:29-30 (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 2 Corinthians 11:3-5 (KJV)

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9 (KJV)

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:18 (KJV)

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23 (KJV)

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3 (KJV)

7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:7-9 (KJV)

In light of everything we’ve examined, it’s time we started making conclusions, uncomfortable ones. We’ve shown the Word Faith teachers are teaching something that has to be considered another Gospel. The Bible is clear what we must do to any that teach this false gospel.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2 John 1:10-11 (KJV)

The question now is… do most Word Faith teachers deny the Godhood of the Lord Jesus Christ? That is the other component that positively would identify them as the antichrists spoken of in these verses. (All quotes were found on Let Us Reason unless otherwise noted. Some additional quotes were found in the E-Book Heresy Unmasked by Basilius M. Kasera)

“why didn’t Jesus openly proclaim Himself as God during His 33 years on earth? For one single reason. He hadn’t come to earth as God, He’d come as man.” Kenneth Copeland

“Jesus existed only as an image in the heart of God, until such time as the prophets of the Old Testament could positively confess Jesus into existence through their constant prophecies.” Kenneth Copeland

“When His blood poured out it did not atone.” (Kenneth Copeland) http://www.alan-vincent.com/wordoffaithmovement.htm

“Don’t be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you’re God -the more you get to be like me, the more they’re going to think that way of you. They crucified me for claiming that I was God. But I didn’t claim I was God, I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in me.” Kenneth Copeland, quoting what someone named Jesus supposedly told him.

“The trinity is a doctrine of the devil.” William Branham.

“Jesus is not God.” Paula White

“the trinity is of course God the father God the son God the holy Ghost. We have to be careful because religion has us sometime thinking we have three different Gods. You know there’s God here ..hey holy ghost- hey Jesus…its God one God one faith one baptism not three Gods not three faiths not baptism’s everytime you mess up,one. God the father, one God, three functions one and different functions God functioning as a father- God functioning as a son -God functioning as the holy ghost.” Creflo Dollar

“I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions so separate each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.” T. D. Jakes

“God the Father. ladles and gentlemen, is a Person, and He is a triune being by Himself, separate from the Son and the Holy Ghost… God the Father 1s a Person, God the Son Is a Person. God the Holy Ghost Is a Person. But each of them is a triune being by Himself. It I can shock you- and maybe I should- there’s nine of ’em… God the Father, ladies and gentlemen. Is a Person with His own personal spirit, with His own personal soul, and His own personal spirit body. You say, 1 never read that.’ Well, you think you’re in this church to hear things that you’ve heard for the last fifty years? Ladles and gentlemen, this thing is in my book and was tested by three theologians… it’s all in the Word…” Benny Hinn

“Teachers of the Trinity teach that Jesus is Jehovah; they have no scriptures to back this up, and why don’t they believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that Jehovah is Jehovah?” Gwen Shamblin

“God the father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, God three in one. The Holy Ghost is no different than Jesus and Jesus is no different than the Holy Ghost …water you see it… if you take that to a scientists and ask it to analyze that and tell you what it is. He won’t tell you its water he’ll say that’s two parts hydrogen one part oxygen.That’s H2O now if take this and boil it and I capture the steam and I take that to the scientist he won’t say its steam he’ll say its H2O if I take this and put it in the freezer and take it to the same scientist hand it to the scientist say analyze this for me he won’t say that’s ice he’ll say that’s H2O they’re all H2O but there different manifestations of the same thing.” Rod Parsley

“You can’t call us ‘Jesus only,’ as some have. We do not deny the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit, We believe Jesus Christ is wholly, fully, absolutely and completely God. But no one isgoing to put us in the position of saying there are three Gods.” Tommy Tenny, author, United Pentacostal Church

Do Word Faith Teachers deny the atonement on the Cross? Yes. They insist the atonement had to be paid in Hell.

“Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a cross? If that were the case, the thieves could have paid your price.” Frederick K. C. Price

“Physical death would not remove our sins. He tasted death for every man – spiritual death. Jesus is the first person ever to be born again. Why did HIS spirit need to be born again? Because it was estranged from God.” Kenneth Hagin

“It wasn’t the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin … anybody could do that.” Kenneth Copeland

“Jesus Christ knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him…He became sin, so sinners can be righteous in Him. He became one with the nature of Satan, so all those who had the nature of Satan can partake of the nature of God.” Benny Hinn http://www.alan-vincent.com

“Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only” Kenneth Copeland

It’s really time we stopped calling these men Christians. Most of them have denied the Godhood of the Lord Jesus Christ. If they don’t repent, they’re getting left behind in the Tribulation, and they’re going straight to hell at the moment of death.

The Bible commands us to separate from any who deny the Godhood of Jesus. We are to mark them and avoid them, not even wishing them Godspeed, lest we share in their punishment. How can two walk together, unless they be in agreement? Kenneth Copeland, Gloria Copeland, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Hagin, T. D. Jakes, Creflo Dollar, and Myles Munroe are heretics, who teach blasphemies and damnable heresies, denying even the Lord which bought them. Unless they repent, they face a terrible future in Hell.

Who is the Lord?


2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go. Exodus 5:2 (KJV)

You’re all God. You don’t have a God living in you; you are one! … When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, ‘I AM,’ I say, ‘Yeah, I am too!'” (Kenneth Copeland, “The Force of Love,” Tape BBC-56).

“God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. … He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn’t come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He’s going to have to be in agreement with a man here.” (Kenneth Copeland, God’s Covenants With Man II, 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1)

There is real problems with defining God in Word Faith.  As I mentioned yesterday, Copeland and many other Word Faith teachers claim God is a man, having a body. The Bible teaches something else, but that’s beside the point.

Now for the major issue. God, according to the Word Faith teachers, is not God. We are g-d. I remember reading a quote from either Kenneth Hagin or Kenneth Copeland where whoever the word faith teacher was rebuked Satan, and God supposedly said to him, “I’m glad you said something to him, I couldn’t do it!”

The issue is – to the faith preacher, God is not g-d, but the faith teacher is.

“God’s reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself…He was not a little like God. He
was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even” (Kenneth Copeland, “Following the Faith of
Abraham,” tape 01-3001).

Man…was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…. God has made us as much like Himself as possible…. He made us the same class of being that He is Himself…. Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with God…. The believer is called Christ….That’s who we are; we’re Christ!  (Kenneth E. Hagin, “Zoe: The God-Kind of Life” (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), pp. 35-36, 41.)

Um… no. I’m not Jesus Christ. Not by a long shot. If you think that we’re Jesus Christ, your definition of Jesus Christ is tremendously faulty.

Jesus Christ is God. He does not require permission. He does not require faith. He does not require…

…any of us. Jesus Christ will never say, “I need you” or “I can do nothing without you.” Indeed, He says the opposite – we can do nothing apart from Him!

But every Word Faith teacher reports hearing from Jesus Christ (which one, I don’t know, but it’s not the Jesus of the Bible…) “I need you, son, I need you.” Or, “I need you boy, I need you.” Or… the exact word in the middle changes depending on the style of speech.

Nope.

Biblical Answer – this is the Son of God. I want you to really grasp that. The very moment that the deed to the earth is held forth in Heaven, and the question is asked, “Who is worthy to open?” those in Heaven actually weep, because of their unworthiness.

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Revelation 5:1-5 (KJV)

Read it. Don’t skip it. The words of Philip are completely unimportant in this moment. Really reflect on this, that no man could even LOOK at the seals, let alone open them. Only Jesus Christ.

And he looks at Benny Hinn and says… “I need you. I need you.”

When does this happen? Only in Benny Hinn’s imagination. The REAL Jesus Christ is so POWERFUL, so AMAZING, so HOLY, that… He does not need us. If every human being rejected Him, he’d be sad. And He’d be utterly right to condemn every Human Being to Hell.

To claim Jesus Christ is telling you personally, “I need you” is to place yourself higher than God. You know, I don’t think I’d really want to explain myself to Jesus Christ why I was saying this.

Because He just might ask. And if Hinn  and Copeland are not saved…. He most assuredly will require them to explain these statements to all His redeemed, who will be watching – and probably grieving as they see so many forced to make an account of themselves.

The Spirit of God spoke to me, and He said “Son, realize this” Now follow me in this, don’t let your tradition trip you up. He said “Think this way. A twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And
I threw my Bible..I said “What?” He said “A born-again man defeated Satan – the first-born of many brethren defeated him.” He said “You are the very image, and the very copy of that one.” I said “Goodness Gracious, saints alive.” I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said “Well you don’t mean – You couldn’t dare mean that I could have done the same thing?” He said “Oh yeah. If you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did you could’ve done the same thing cause you’re a re-born man too.” (Kenneth Copeland, “Substitution and Identification” (Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989, audio
tape #00-0202, side 2)

Kenneth Copeland teaches an utter denial of Jesus Christ, and a pagan exalting of himself as just as much a god as Jesus Christ. Indeed, he seems to skirt around disparaging Jesus Christ almost every chance he gets.

If you are in a Word Faith church, you need to really start examining your beliefs in light of the Bible. Does the Bible line up with this stuff? Or not?

If not… you need to get out of it, fast.