Seventh Day Adventism Answered 20

Some random questions for any member of the SDA…

What authority gave Ellen G. White the authority to lead the SDA church? Why did no one object to her assuming control?

Does the SDA church deny today that they teach that Jesus is the archangel Michael?

Do they deny that they are indeed the authors of the Jehovah’s Witnesses heresies?

there are major errors associated with the SDA’s. So many in fact that they conflicgt with orthodox christian doctrines in areas of theology, christology, pneumatology, soteriology, hamartiology, angelology…. almost every area of doctrine.

I would submit that the differences remain so great that the SDA cannot be considered Christian, but rather a pagan religion or a cult. Loosely organized and poorly controlled, but still a cult.

What test prophecy did Ellen G. White give before the Adventists accepted her as a prophet?

Error led to the SDa accepting Ellen G as a prophet, this in turn led to accepting a host of doctrinal errors.

SDA denies today that they originally did not believe Jesus is God.

Ellen G. White accepted the Trinity, but her husband James White did not.

Is this not a conflict? If she truly was a prophet of God as James White taught others, then would he not have simply accepted what she taught on this issue?

And is this not a conflict that she claimed (in violation of Scripture) to speak with him and be guided by him after he died? We know that any who deny the Trinity will not inherit the kingdom of God. So, either she was a false prophet from the start, as I have maintained from the start, or the James white manifestation was a demon. In that latter case, the writings of Ellen G. White cannot be the equal of Scripture, nor can they complete them as the SDA maintain.

At what point was she misled by a demonic apparition? If she was a prophet, why did she not realize he was a demon?

Why would she speak to the dead, when if she was a prophet she would have known that this was forbidden by Scripture?

If she was mistaken, she cannot be a prophet. If she was lying, she cannot be a prophet. If she was misled, she cannot be a prophet. The only hope for the SDA church now is to deny that the spirit of James White came to Ellen G. White after his death and descent into Hell, and claim the stories were forged. In which case we would have a different problem then – which of her writings are authentic and which are forgeries???

doctrinal error leads to doctrinal error. If the seed is corrupt, so too will the fully grown plant from that seed.

If William Miller was wrong right from the start, so too will everything that grew out of it, including the SDA, which doctrinally is as full of error as Miller’s other offspring the Jehovah’s Witnesses.


Seventh Day Adventism Answered 19

Let me briefly discuss the “remnant church” doctrine of the SDA before we go much further and address the failed prophecies.

The position of the SDA cult is that they are the remnant church.

That’s it. If you’re not part of the SDA, you’re not part of the Remnant Church.

So literally, when they read the Bible, and they see anything discussing the Remnant, they somehow think that is talking about them and them alone.

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. Romans 9:27-29 (KJV)

See, they think that means them. I’m guessing. I’m really not seeing any other remnant besides

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:21 (KJV)

But I’m pretty sure they don’t puff their chests and say, “Why, that’s ME!!!”

13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid. Zephaniah 3:13 (KJV)

There’s our clue. Let’s look at Romans 9 again. Some of you should remember when I did a chapter by chapter breakdown (it was very light, designed to show plain, simple sense readings of Romans…) that I addressed who Romans 9-11 was talking to…

These chapters are talking about Israel. Right? Right.

1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 9:1-5 (KJV)

Well, it’s talking about Paul’s kinsmen. That would be the Jews.

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. Romans 9:22-25 (KJV)

It mentions it’s talking about the Jews. It mentions that most of them don’t believe. Surely the SDA can’t be appropriating that.

Now, let’s make some conclusions. If the SDA is claiming they are thet “remnant church”, then we have issues. Because what does remnant mean? “That which is left over.”

It’s fitting far more into an eschatological (read: End Times) position than it is into a soteriologiccal position (read: Saved or not) – but the two go hand in hand.

Because the Bible clearly portrays the Remnant as a believing remnant. So, if I’m wrong and this is not talking about the Jews (even though it says it is…) then it’s talking about a believing remnant in the midst of others who are unbelieving.

Let me know if that logic passes you by… it’s one or the other.

So, in effect, the SDA is claiming that if they’re the :remnant church”, a phrase I can’t seem to find in my Bible, then they are the believing ones, and the rest of us (you and I) are the unbelieving. how can I say that? Well, it was actually pretty easy. If you’re separating the Remnant doctrine away from the Jewish people where its sense is readily apparent… then we have an allegorical approach where its sense must be determined among a hypothetical Universal church.

Okay, this is one of my little bugaboos. I hear Christians all the time talk about a Universal Church. “God needs to send revival to the Church!” Well, there’s only one verse in Ephesians where you can stretch the concept of a church into a Universal construct. All other verses in the Bible referring to a church are referring to a local entity. Remember, a sound exegetical principle is that we do not derive doctrine from a single verse. Anyone wanting to look up that rule please note it is called the Hapak rule (from the koine Greek for “Once”).

The correct Biblical phrase for a universal body of believers is “The kingdom of God” or “The Kingdom of Heaven”, not “the Church” – although I realize that means just about all of you instantly disagreed with me. It’s okay, I’m not THAT picky about it. I’m not alone in this insistence – David Cloud makes this same distinction in his writings, and almost nobody complains about him. Almost.

Getting back to the SDA, this conclusion now has HUGE implications, putting them once and for all into the Cult definition, the one we looked at in our second article on the SDA… This puts them into True Church-ism. The single quickest way to identify a cult is to see if they claim to be the One True Church. The Jehovah’s Witnesses claim it, and we call them a cult. The Mormons claim it, and until one ran for President as a Republican, Christians considered them a cult as well (hey if they were a cult before, they should still be a cult now… I mean, Republican is the same thing as Christian, right??? “Ye must be a conservative”, II Opinions 13:13… seriously, if they were a cult before the last election, they’re still a cult).

Here’s some questions for the SDA – can I be a Baptist and still be saved? What position does the acceptance of Ellen G. White as a prophet have to do with my salvation? Can I be saved and reject her as a false prophet?

If I can’t, what does that mean for everyone born before 1844? What does that mean for everyone who was SDA, baptized into the cult, and began examining her words against the Bible and left, forswearing the SDA?

What about Matthew Henry? Was he saved? He lived before Ellen G. White. What about Alfred Edersheim, whose writings Ellen White plagiarized freely from? What about Martin Luther? John Huss? John Calvin? (I’ll answer about a couple of these and say, I don’t think their testimonies give the evidence of being born again… but this is my questions for the SDA, who place equal weight upon acceptance of Ellen G. White and Baptism into their cult alongside being born Again).

We have problems. Major problems. Cult problems.

Now we need to address salvation by works, which the SDA clearly teaches. As I mentioned in the sentence above, the SDA places equal emphasis on being baptized into their cult.

In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry ofChrist will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent.

This is from their statement of faith, and if you’re used to reading statements of faith and looking for heresies, behold, it is there.

It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom.

This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom.

Ellen White made it clear, although it’s not mentioned much nowadays, if you don’t keep vegetarian, you’re going to Hell. She made it clear if you don’t keep the Sabbath, you’re going to Hell. Remember, their definition of remaining loyal to God means Keeping the Sabbath – which they themselves do not do! Yet we have testimony that she ate meat and shellfish, and I addressed Sabbath Keeping and the SDA and made it pretty clear, that they do not keep the Sabbath at all…

I think, to me, it’s pretty clear – they teach Salvation by works. They have fulfilled EVERY ONE of the hallmarks of cultism that I showed back in article 2…

  1. Are they teaching Biblical doctrine, or heretical? heretical
  2. Are they preaching the Gospel, or another Gospel? Another gospel.
  3. Is their Jesus the Jesus of the Bible, or a different Jesus? Different Jesus.
  4. Do they rely solely on the word of God, or upon extra-Biblical writings? upon Ellen G. White’s plagiarized writings
  5. Do they derive their doctrines solely from the word of God, or do the teachings of the organization/denomination/cult have equal weight to the Bible? Equal weight.
  6. Is there a central figure or group they owe a personal allegiance to? Ellen G. White
  7. Do they regard their cult/denomination/group as the only true church? Yes
  8. Do they add required actions or works to assist as a means of salvation? Baptism, Sabbath Keeping, Vegetarianism

These are major problems. A different Gospel is a different Jesus, and a different Jesus cannot save. It’s not my quote, it belongs to another Baptist, but I find it so fitting when dealing with cults.

Lastly, we look at the issue of false prophecy. According to the Bible, if a prophet is wrong once, just once, they are a false prophet.

In 1862, Moses Hull was discouraged and planning to leave the SDA. The words of Ellen G. White to him were…

If you proceed in the way you have started, misery and woe are before you. God’s hand will arrest you in a manner that will not suit you. His wrath will not slumber” (“Testimonies for the Church,” Vol. I., pp. 430, 431).

Needless to say, Moses Hull lived to a ripe old age.

The Civil War of 1861-65 placed Seventh-day Adventists in a trying position. They could not engage in war and keep the Sabbath. The draft threatened them. Now, what? I was one of them, twenty years old – the right age to go to war. So I remember it all distinctly. Something had to be done. We hoped Mrs. White would have a revelation. And she did have – several of them, covering thirty pages of printed matter in Volume I. Of “Testimonies for the Church.” At the time, we read these revelations with great anxiety, hoping for light ahead. We were disappointed. They simply told just what everybody already knew, reflecting the sentiments of those opposed to the Government and the war. (D. M. Canwright, LIfe of Ellen G. White Her Claims Refuted, pg. 49)

On Jan. 4, 1862, Ellen G. White received a divine vision, and committed these words to paper, and doubtless years later was to regret it. She claimed that slavery would continue past the civil war, and another war would be needed to fix the problem once for all. She claimed that the war was started by the North not to abolish slavery, but to preserve it.

That’s the most stupid, illogical statement I’ve ever heard. The South was against the abolition of slavery. If the North was against the abolition of slavery, then the south would have inquired, “Then why are we fighting???”

If the war was fought to prevent the abolition of slavery by the north, then.. why did Lincoln (who White bitterly criticized, castigating him in one vision after another) utter the Emancipation Proclamation, setting free the slaves?

How many Adventists are aware that Ellen G. White prophesied that America would be so embroiled in the war, that Britain would be forced to enter the war to end it, and would humble America?

Well, that never happened.

Elder Bates, the same person who’s influence caused the SDA to worship on the seventh day, even wrote a list based on this vision, of the countries that would enter the war, including “…Prussia, Hanover, Sardinia, Sicily, Naples, Venice, Lombardy, Tuscany, Rome, Austria,…” which of course, some of these are small cities, and not liable to be involved in a war. Why not just say “Italy, Germany, and Prussia?”

Needless to say, this never happened.

Ellen G. White predicted famine and pestilence before the end of the Civil War. If by pestilence she meant cannon shot and bullets, she was right. If on the other hand she meant it in its literal sense, then she was wrong.

so… that never happened.

Supposedly, Ellen G. white was shown a vision of the San Francisco earthquake two days before the earthquake… but didn’t bother telling anyone for several days. Well, I prophecy that on Sept. 11, 2001 two airplanes will crash into the World Trade Center. I have been shown much detail by the angels, and it has taken much time to sort it out…

do you believe it? Everyone’s a prophet of God two or three days after major events. As a matter of fact, I will predict the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963! It will happen in… it looks like Texas…

The point here is, Ellen G. White had to learn the hard way to make her prophecies more generic and absent of specific details and dates. How did she learn this valuable lesson? By being wrong so many times.

How many times does the Bible allow a prophet to be wrong?

Answer – none. You cannot ever be wrong, or you are not a prophet.

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. Deuteronomy 13:1-5 (KJV)

False prophets give false prophecies. False prophets lead people astray. If they’re giving prophecies, visions, dreams, then according to the Bible, they’re lying… or they’re heeding the voice of a devil, according to Deut. 13:5.

That’s a bottom line attitude! The Lord tells us how this is.

According to the Bible, Ellen G. White succumbed to her worse fear, that she would be an apostate, a heretic, a false prophet, a daughter of Beliar. We aren’t really left with any choice. And as I reported a few days ago, the SDa itself used to bear witness her visions were either of Satan or God.

Well, they’re not from God. She spoke “thus sayeth the Lord” by using the words “I was shown…” and many times she spoke or wrote to people saying, “My words are the words of the Lord.”

And she was wrong. According to the Bible passage explaining how to differentiate false prophets from right ones, we see you are allowed ZERO errors. She was wrong about the life of Moses Hull. She was wrong about famine and pestilence during the Civil war. She was wrong about England entering the war. She was wrong about Lincoln, the war and slavery. There was no need for a second war to free slaves.

She was wrong, wrong, wrong. So to fix her image, they tried an elaborate “I was shown the san francisco earthquake but did not have time to write it down…” ruse. If this was true, I’m sure Ellen could have simply summoned a news reporter, given him the basic facts, and then written it in detail days later.

If it is true, by callous indifference, Ellen G. White is guilty of the blood of every person maimed or killed in the earthquake and the resulting fire that massacred many. I think we all know and agree she simply tried to take credit for it days later, similar to her first vision who she plagiarized from the very man she would tell the vision to the following day!

So, let’s look at the most embarrassing doctrine of the SDA.

The Shut door of mercy.

This is one that the SDA has had problems with. They ended up having to delete a lot of paragraphs from Ellen G. White’s writings, but they’ve left a few in by accident.

the doctrine teaches that as of 1844, the door of mercy was shut.

That means no SDA today has been forgiven of sins. Which is no surprise, as Ellen G. White has written that all our sins, even the ones from before we were born again, would be brought up again in judgment. Which means the SDA teaches our sins are not forgiven by grace through faith.

Every SDA owes it to themselves to track down and get copies of all of Ellen G. White’s original works. They are readily available, and can be had by anyone – It’s kind of like trying to find Joseph Smith’s early writings – it’ll take a few days of searching, but they’re out there. Or back issues of the Watchtower Society and Awake! All readily available – and immediately embarrassing to those cults as well.

Elder J.N. Loughborough, in his book, “The Great Second Advent Movement,” page 263, edition 1905, desired to give Elder Joseph Bates’ testimony concerning Mrs. White’s work, as given on page 21 of “A Word to the Little Flock,” printed in 1847. The following illustrates the manner in which he uses the material from this early publication. He quotes: “I believe the work [of Mrs. White] is of God, and is given to comfort and strengthen his scattered, torn and peeled people, since the closing up of our work. . . in October, 1844.”

Note those three little dots? They mean that something was left out of the passage quoted. What was it? Just THREE SHORT WORDS. We will insert those words omitted from the lines quoted and indicate them [in uppercase letters]. Here they are: “since the closing up of our work FOR THE WORLD in October, 1844.” These three words reveal the fact that Bates and Elder White, who published the tract in 1847, believed that their work for the world closed up in October, 1844.

Elder Loughborough wished to use these lines and yet hide this fact regarding the belief of these early leaders. To accomplish it he omitted – suppressed – just three words, and placed three dots in their place in his quotation! He did not do this to save space in a large work of six hundred pages. He did it to hide, conceal and suppress a doctrine which he well knew Bates and Elder and Mrs. White all believed and taught in 1847. It is a deliberate deception, too plain to be denied. It shows how willing he was to falsify in order to shield Mrs. White and the pioneers in this movement who adhered to her and proclaimed her a prophet. (The Life of Ellen G. White – her claims refuted by D. W. Canwright pg. 35)”The excitements and false reformations of this day do not move us, for we know that the Master of the house rose up in 1844, and shut the door of the first apartment of the heavenly tabernacle; and now we certainly expect that they will go with their flocks to seek the Lord; but they shall not find him; he hath withdrawn himself (within the second veil) from them. The Lord has shown me that the power that is with them is a mere human influence and not the power of God.” (Ellen G. White, Present Truth – note – there were only eleven copies of Present Truth printed, and this is edited heavily in her “Early Writings” book)

Bottom line – Ellen G. White wrote and believed that if you came to the Lord after 1844, it was far too late. However, by 1864, she’d begun to realize that Armageddon was a little delayed, and so quietly put that doctrine away, although you can still see little references to them here and there in the Great Controversy.

If you believe she’s a prophet, she’s in effect saying there’s no hope for you. You weren’t saved before 1844.

Here ends my writings on THE most distasteful cult I ave examined, even above Mormonism. My impressions of the Jehovah’s witnesses were that they were duped by a drug addled liar, and then manipulated by a lawyer with no ethics and that they still are blind.

My opinions of the Mormons are that they are all generically decent people, sincere but caught up in a cult of disastrous proportions.

My opinions of Roman Catholics is that they’ve been lied to and duped by an evil system.

But the overall impressions I’ve gotten of the SDA is that of sheer, unadulterated, unfiltered evil. I have to stop, as we get close to the celebration of the birth of our saviour, as I cannot bear to write about this cult in such a close proximity to His birth day.

So, I stop here. I may address it further in the future, but for now I’m stopping.

If you’re SDA, you need to do some serious praying, and reading of your King James Bible to find out what the truth is. Get out of this cult, while you still can.