Sons of Jacob


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I’m going to ask specific questions, because some people read their Bibles and they’ve got tinted glasses that color what they’re reading. My intent by asking these pointed questions is to shock you awake, and make you begin to read the Bible with what is called the normal literal dispensational thinking.

Who is Abraham?
This is first year Sunday School kind of questions. You shouldn’t have any problems. Abraham, known as Avraham Avinu (”Our Father Abraham”) among Jews, left Ur in response to God’s command, and lived a nomadic life in the land of Israel, briefly living in Egypt from time to time, but returning to a land promised him.

Who is Isaac?
Isaac, son of Abraham.

Who is Jacob?
You should know who Jacob is.The Son of Isaac, correct? Isaac, son of Abraham.

Who are the sons of Jacob?
It’s not a trivia question, but a serious question. The sons of Jacob are Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Gad, Asher, Judah, Joseph, Benjamin, Issachar, Dan, Zebulun, Naphtali, and extended to Ephraim and Manassah. When the Bible speaks of the “Sons of Jacob”, it is always referring to physical descendants of Jacob.

Who is Israel?
Biblically, it’s Jacob.


Nope. I just maneuvered you into a trap, an admission. Israel is Jacob. Israel is the Jewish people, the sons of Jacob. How can I say that?

“And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the Lord came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:” (1 Kings 18:31, KJV)

“Thou art the God that doest wonders: Thou hast declared thy strength among the people. Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people, The sons of Jacob and Joseph. Selah.” (Psalm 77:14–15, KJV)

“And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people As a dew from the Lord, As the showers upon the grass, That tarrieth not for man, Nor waiteth for the sons of men. And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people As a lion among the beasts of the forest, As a young lion among the flocks of sheep: Who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, And none can deliver.” (Micah 5:7–8, KJV)

“For I am the Lord, I change not; Therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” (Malachi 3:6, KJV)

The phrases sons of Jacob are used in the Bible to denote the physical descendants of Jacob. No Gentile Believer in Jesus Christ can say they are a son of Jacob.

So if you cannot say you are a physical son of Jacob, you are not a son of Jacob.

Children of Israel and sons of Jacob are interchangeable.

“Therefore the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day: because he touched the hollow of Jacob’s thigh in the sinew that shrank.” (Genesis 32:32, KJV)

So if you are not physically Jewish you are not Israel…

Do you grasp that?


Yes. But. A believer in Jesus Christ is considered a son of Abraham by faith – and thus ingrafted into Israel.


Not replacing.

You are PART OF, a wild olive branch, grafted in. You are not the root. Do you grasp that the branch is Jesus Christ? Do you grasp that you are ingrafted into Jesus Christ? Do you grasp that Christians are fellow heirs with the Jewish people?

I’m speaking as a physical son of Abraham.

To my brothers in faith, the Gentile believers in Jesus Christ.

You are grafted in – but that does not mean you replace.

It’s common for many Calvinists to read the Bible through Calvinist tinted glasses, reading and misunderstanding. You read “Covenant”, and think it applies to Calvinists. You backread “Israel” in the prophetic books, and somehow think it applies to Calvinists.

The covenants are with Israel. The Jewish people. You partake in the New Covenant – but that’s it.

You do not inherit the land away from us. You do not replace us.

John MacArthur advocates that Calvinists should be Dispensationalists, and should read the Bible with what is called the Normal-Literal-Dispensational method of understanding. He’s right. You should.
Better yet, you should drop the Calvinism, read your Bible, accept it literally and understand it literally, ensure you’re saved, and grow as a Christian.

And get busy, because the Lord has work for us!


Reasons why the Rapture is pre-trib

This is a popular subject as of late – and the reason why is simple. I think Christians sense that the time may be drawing nigh. There’s a million blogs which fall into about 4 different interpretations. The ONLY position which makes a distinction between Israel and the churches, is dispensational, and is literalist (takes the Bible literally) is…


To place “The Church” in the middle of the Tribulation, indeed, anywhere after Revelation 4, has to confuse or replace Israel with “the Church”. I always say it this way because the number of references in the Bible to the word “Church” identifies the word church to a local, visible entity. There is only one verse which can be interpreted either way. Since the Bible is careful to identify the church as a local institution, and uses the title “kingdom of God” or “kingdom of heaven” to refer to all believers as a group… I do the same.

“The church” is not Israel. Israel is Israel. The church is a local institution of assembled, born again believers that may be Jewish (usually the minority) or Gentile (usually the overwhelming majority). Gentile Christians are grafted INTO believing Israel, but do not REPLACE believing Israel. I could write a very long and very confusing series of articles on this issue – confusing because I’d have to use English, which is pretty slippery, to write it. Now if I wrote it in Koine Greek, it would be a lot more specific, but then only a handful of people could read it. And my Koine is pretty rusty, as my classes in it were 5 years ago.

How can I write these things?

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Revelation 7:1-3 (KJV)

This happens really early on in the Tribulation. Who is the servants of God? Some people say this is “The Church” because it refers to the servants of our God.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 7:4-12 (KJV)

These are… Jews. The first reference to believers after Revelation 4 is a description of Jews. What tribe are you from?  That’s the question I ask any Gentile who tries to appropriate this for themselves. It’s stumped a few Jehovah’s Witnesses, by the way.

Let’s look at the Immanency issue. The Rapture is imminent. To say it comes at (X) point in the Tribulation means we can… pretty much guesstimate it’s time. “No man knows the day or hour” is what the Bible says. So if you say it’s midpoint – Voila, it’s 3.5 Jewish years after the signing of the peace treaty, Ta-Da! I know the day and hour. That rules it out from being the time of the Rapture.

If it was the third seal, then it’s roughly three months times 3 after the peace treaty – nine months later. Sixth Trumpet? It would be  roughly 39 months after the peace treaty.

How about the two doors? A door opens in heaven in Revelation 4:1, and does not re-open until Christ returns to earth. Open door number 1 – the Rapture. Open Door number 2 – the return.

The word “Church” is  used many times in Revelation 1-3. It disappears in Revelation 4 and is not seen again until after the Lord has returned to the Earth.

John is a type of the Christian in Revelation. HE gets Raptured in Revelation 4:1, and accompanies the Lord on His way back to the Earth.  If John gets raptured at that time, why are we any different?

We are told to look for the Rapture and the Return of Christ. We are never told to look for the Antichrist.

Finally (this is a quick article, I’ve written much longer articles on the Rapture previously, loaded with information) there is no resurrection of the dead mentioned in any point of Revelation until the Judgment. So either it’s post-trib (which explains nothing) or it’s pre-trib.

I’ve written MUCH longer articles on this subject in the past! Just click on the Rapture category, and keep scrolling down and sooner or later, you’ll reach the first one. By the time you’ve read every article on it… you’ll be convinced, or really sleepy, because it’s going to take a LONG time to get through all those articles.


150 years ago, coal miners in the UK and US used to carry Canaries with them into the mines. One person held the lamp  and also watched the canaries. If they broke through a vein to an area with radon gas or other dangerous gases that could kill the miners, the canaries would drop first. The minute they saw the canaries in distress, the man with the light sounded the alarm. The Canaries’ tolerance to the gas was so much less, that even if they showed any signs of lethargy the miners escaped the mines.

There’s one major doctrine that I liken to the canary. If your doctrine is suffering, this is where it shows up first.

The Rapture.

The minute Christians begin to worry that they might have to go through part of or all of the Tribulation, you should be fleeing to your Bible.

I’ve recounted many times on this blog numerous proofs for the Pre-trib rapture. The proofs are Scriptural, numerous, and uncontestable. I liken most of the rebuttals to one of several usual problems – replacement theology, anti-semitism (that’s Jew-hating, for those of you who wish to be contentious), or a complete misunderstanding of foundational doctrinal understandings. You pick.

When I mention that the word “Church” cannot be found between Revelation 4-20 (in other words, during the Tribulation) someone always answers “But it mentions saints.”

Okay, … that’s Revelation chapter 8. Who is it talking about in Revelation 7?

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Revelation 7:1-4 (KJV)

The children of Israel. Those are Jews.

Every once in a while, I see people suddenly start talking at this point about the Khazars, and Ashkenazi Jews.

If you just went there, you’re a Jew-hater. Or Anti-Semite, if that sounds too bold for you.

usually about fifth or sixth down on the list of Christian doctrinal health is your position on Jews. If you hate Jews, you really need to carefully read Matthew 24. It’s um… talking about them. If the judgment of the righteous nations at the end of the Tribulation is based partly on how the Gentiles treat the Jews… don’t you think you may have to answer to the King of the Jews about your hatred of them?

I bring this up often because… people search often to see what Franklin Graham thinks of the Rapture. Hopefully, you’re all just looking for a quote to use in some kind of thesis or something. I’d hate to think some of you are looking to see what some man believes, so you know what to believe!

Since I put up a link to that news story, I’ve had at least two to three searches a week for “Franklin Graham on the Rapture”. It’s one of the top searches leading people to my blog.

if you’re one of them, I have a LOT of material on the Pre-trib rapture, and why it’s the ONLY BIBLICAL position you can take on the End times. Please – take the time to open your Bible, and look for yourself.

Messianic Judaism 46

years ago, there used to be a radio program, “the world of tomorrow” run by a bellicose man, Herbert W. Armstrong. He used to preach, “America, listen up! nobody else is going to give you the truth except me!”

Everything he preached is Messianic Judaism to the core.

Except the key issue of, the Lord Jesus Christ would come for all of them while Armstrong was alive. And Armstrong died in the 90’s.

There were three men, highly placed in Armstrong’s worldwide church of God. One of them was Joseph Tkach. He began to read his Bible after Armstrong died, and found that to his surprise… the Bible did not back up his claims.

There was another man at the Church of God who was doing the same. The two began to talk, at first talking in hints, before realizing they’d come to the same opinion at the same time. And they began sharing notes.

Then they got together with the current president of the Worldwide Church of God… Tkach’s father. And they presented everything they’d been learning. Tkach senior agreed to sit with them and examine every one of Armstrong’s teachings.

Then the following Sabbath, presented them to the congregations worldwide, televised.

it split their church. Worldwide Church of God fragmented, now only a third of what it was. And they did it because it was the truth.

The majority of people do not want the truth. The truth is inconvenient, ugly. The truth says to Jew and Gentile alike, that we are sinners deserving of hell. That we cannot earn our salvation. Any mention of law keeping is put aside after you read Eph. 2:-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)

If it’s a GIFT, it’s DONE!!!

Tkach did something most Messianic Rabbi’s are afraid to do. And that’s publicly announce that their doctrine was wrong. Cultic.

If Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong) was a cult… .then Messianic Judaism, who teaches the same thing is the same thing. a cult.

You need to get out of it, pronto.

I bring up Tkach because men in a law keeping, sabbath keeping cult read their Bibles, determined to follow the truth no matter where it led.

I’ve yet to see a Messianic Rabbi do that.

Weirdness and Messianic Judaism


I mean, weirdness.

In my brief time in the Messianic movement, before I got saved and started attending a church, I saw a lot of weirdness.

People who not only refused to pay tithe, but also wrote letters to the government opting out of taxes. Uh.. it doesn’t work that way. And… doesn’t the Bible say we should pay our taxes?

There’s the number of men who refuse to get a job. They get their nice yarmulke and tallis – I don’t know how, without a job, because Jewish stuff is EXPENSIVE. But they seem to find excuses why they can’t have a job.

You’ve got the “Davidic Dance” troop.

You’ve got the communists. REALLY???? I kid you not, I kicked into ultra-sarcasm the first time someone mentioned “proletariat” to me. “Nu? So, when you say everyone should have everything in common, aren’t you saying you want to be the rich one without working for it?”

There’s the loud, obnoxious ones who say “I think that anyone who wants to stand up and say whatever they want during service should be able to.” My response – “Aren’t you saying you think YOU should be able to interrupt the service at will and nobody else?”

There’s the “Rabbi’s” who feel the incessant need to re-invent Judaism. Like, making tsitsis that aren’t attached to a tallis (uh, the Bible says tsitsis should be on a tallis – isn’t your way violating the Torah?), and then selling them at a profit so that people can loop them on the belt loops of their pants…

…or the mezuzot that are printed off on a laser printer and then slid inside plastic sleeves, and nailed to the door posts…

Or the homemade tallisim made out colorful rayon with glued on crudely cut Hebrew letters….

There’s the people that sell the bundle packs of vitamins that are supposed to cure non-existent illnesses that you never seemed to suffer from until you met these people…

The weird “If you’re a gentile, because of Ephraim and Manasseh, you’re now really a Jew, and the real Jews have to serve you in the coming kingdom…” Messianic Israel Two House Two Stick Wooten Replacement Theology madness….

There’s the people that live in their vans and drive from city to city, looking for someone to sponge off of – I mean, latch onto…

The people who have not one drop of Jewish blood in them, but as soon as they join a Messianic synagogue, they start imagining they’re Jewish. Well, I guess that’s okay. I visited a Messianic Jewish synagogue once, and found myself wishing I was Gentile!

There’s the people who have to try – after two months of reading a book or two on Hebrew – decide how Hebrew should be pronounced. “Yeah, you Jews have had it wrong for thousands of years! But thanks to my reading a Hebrew textbook for 7 weeks, I am now prepared to tell you how to pronounce your Hebrew!”

There’s the people who come in who are obviously descended from other groups of people, who tell you with a straight face that today’s Jews come from the Khazars and really aren’t Jewish at all… but somehow their people are the REAL Jews, despite coming from a different continent. “But… aren’t you Korean????” “Let’s get past that!!!” “So… when my relatives were being loaded into ovens at Birkenau and Dachau, where were you? I didn’t see your family pushing to take their places in line and saying, ‘let them go, we’re the real Jews!” “Let’s get past that!!!”


Man, it almost sounds as nutty as a Baptist church! It’s just the Deacon who believes that Texas should secede from the Union doesn’t have a blog saying that if you don’t agree with him, you’re going to Hell.

But it’s easy to find the weirdness in the Messy Antics, who insist that if you don’t do EVERYTHING exactly the same as they do, you’re going to Hell.

Messianic Judaism is… a cult. If you’re in it, you need to get OUT of it!

Post Tribulation Rapture Answered

Bible believing Christians know that the Rapture is portrayed in the Bible as being before the Tribulation. This position is called the Pre-trib Rapture. Pre meaning before, and the entire phrase meaning “We believe the Bible teaches that we go in the Rapture before the Tribulation comes.”

To believe this way is to differentiate between Christianity and Israel. To put it in the terms most of you use, this belief is to distinguish between “The Church” and Israel. I personally think it’s wrong to use the phrase “the Church” as if there was one invisible, universal church – the Bible does not make that generalization in that term. The Bible defines the church as a local gathering of born again, baptized believers.

The Bible does make that distinction in talking about the Kingdom of God. Where most people err is they substitute the phrase “The Church” where they should be using “the Kingdom.”

Anyway, getting back to the subject at hand….

It then stands to reason that if you believe in ANY OTHER kind of Rapture, you do not distinguish between “The Church” and Israel. You CANNOT read Revelation and make that distinction – and still think “The Church” goes through the tribulation.

How can I say that?

Well, as I’ve pointed out many times before (and nobody that’s ever tried to debate me on this has ever answered this fact…) the word “Church” is mentioned 20 times between Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 4:1. Then it simply disappears, and starts talking about “Saints”.

How do we define this? We don’t. We make the Bible define itself, something it does quite well if you pay attention.

The word Church is used 20 times from Rev. 1:1-4:1 as I mentioned before. Then it stops, and starts describing the scene in heaven. There’s a change in focus now. We were listening to Jesus Christ speak to the seven churches. then suddenly we have a narrative switch to Heaven, and the worship of God and the Lamb… when the Tribulation begins. Christ begins opening the seven seals, and judgment begins.

And towards the end of the seals, the scene switches back to earth.

And is talking about Jews.


Not Christians. Jews. Israel.

If you think that the 144,000 is Gentile Christians… you have committed a gross doctrinal error.

Anti-semitism (that’s bigotry and hatred, by the way) causes many Christians to err and assume that “The Church” replaces Israel. That Gentiles are now the Jew.

You can justify it, by taking verses out of context, and offering proof texts.

The issue remains the proper exegesis of Scripture. God says, you listen. God teaches, you learn. How do you do that? You started on the right path, by reading BOOKS of the Bible. Then you turned to ISOLATED VERSES to justify your doctrine.

Here’s a complicated lesson in Bible exegesis… see if you can follow this. If verses 1-12 are talking about SALVATION, Verse 13 says something about “no more Jews”, and then Verses 13-26 are STILL talking about salvation…

…and this was in the middle of a 4 chapter discussion of salvation and Jews…

Then hey… news flash… that one isolated verse you yanked out was obviously talking about salvation.

So let’s exegete the BIGGEST offending proof text Post Trib believers use to justify their doctrinal stand, that they are Jews.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:19-29 (KJV)

I’m going to break it down, but skip verse 28. Why? You’ll see why.

19 the law and salvation

20 the law and salvation

21 the law and salvation

22 the law and salvation, sin

23 faith, the law and salvation

24 the law and salvation

25 faith, the law and salvation

26 adoption by faith

27 adoption, faith, the law and salvation

29 adoption, faith, the law and salvation

Okay, what’s the thread, the discussion, the topic? Why, law and salvation. Faith and adoptionism is brought into play as we get to verses 23-29.

What’s in the middle of that? “Gentile Christians replace the Jews.”

Uh… it makes no sense. It doesn’t fit the flow. THE ENTIRE TOPIC THREAD OF GALATIANS IS THE LAW AND SALVATION! And to contrast why that is wrong, Galatians repeatedly appeals to faith and to adoptionism. You WERE sinners, you WERE gentiles but now are BROUGHT INTO Israel as a wild grafted vine.

This ties in to the discussion of Gentiles and Jews in Romans. If you’re going to derive doctrine, you have to compare everything the Bible says on a topic to get your doctrine. So, if you’re trying to create doctrine about “does the ‘Church’ replace Israel?” You’ve got to turn to Romans 9-13.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16 (KJV)

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Romans 10:12 (KJV)

So if the “church” replaces Israel…. …. …. I’ll take you through this thought slowly… what are you going to do with Romans 1:16? “to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first…”

“…and also to the Greek.”

Um. That demolishes Replacement theology utterly.

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Romans 11:1-5 (KJV)

This verse demolishes Replacement theology utterly.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: Romans 11:11-13 (KJV)

Right after that, Paul makes a distinction between Israel and Gentiles.

So, again I’ll take you through this slowly… If the “Church” replaces Israel, then why does Paul make the phrase “Jew” and “Israel” synonymous, and the words “Greek” or “Gentiles” Antonymous? in other words, the polar opposite?

It takes two minutes to completely refute Replacement theology, because the Post-Trib believer has absolutely no scriptural basis for this belief, merely proof texts to justify their position.

so, what do Post- Tribbers believe?

the “church” goes through the tribulation, and is raptured at the end of the Tribulation.

Pre-Trib belivers call this the “yo-yo” position, because somehow, Christians are raptured, go immediately through a separate judgment of all Christians, marriage supper of the lamb in heaven, and return to the earth only seconds later.

“Here, eat this Matzoh!” “I thought the marriage supper of the lamb would be longer, less hurried and more enjoyable! And… more food…” “no time for that, chew on the matzoh while we land in Jerusalem! Hurry! Oh, take this crown… good job, by the way.” “lord, let me give this crown back!” “no time for that, hurry up!”

It makes no sense.

It’s also very unBiblical, as the Marriage supper of the lamb takes place in Revelation 19:1-9…

And then the LORD and His Christians go to earth in verse 11.

I don’t know about you, but in first grade, I was taught 9 comes BEFORE 11. So if the door opens in verse 11, and the armies leave in verse 14… I don;t know about you, but my teacher taught me that 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 comes BEFORE 11 and 14!

Apparently, Post- Trib believers don’t use the same math we do. Verses 11-14 come first in their bibles, and apparently verses 1-10 come AFTER that.

I just checked my King James, and 1-10 do indeed come BEFORE 11-14.

Go get your Bible and check. I think yours should be the same.

If I had a lot of money, I’d offer to buy a whole bunch of King James bibles and offer to swap out whatever defectively printed Bibles post trib believers are reading.

If any of you are wealthy, help me out, and offer to do just that.

The Bible calls the Rapture the blessed hope.

How is it the Blessed hope if 75% of Christians will never survive to see it?

But Post-trib teachers have to minimize the Bible in order to justify their beliefs.

Look, it’s very simple. I hear it all the time, “The first three and a half years of the Tribulation are not too bad, pretty peaceful… and the last 3 1/2 years are hell on earth.”

That’s from Pre-trib believers.

I’ve come to the conclusion if you teach that, you’ve never read Revelation. The second seal is War. The Third seal is famine. The fourth seal is pestilence, The 5th seal is earthquakes. The 6th seal is death of Christian and Jewish martyrs. Unlike other religions, when we say “martyrs” there’s a passive connotation. Christians have never blown themselves up or flown airplanes into buildings.

By the end of the 6th seal, most Christians are dead. Over 1.4 billion people die in a single Seal judgment. We’re talking a cataclysmic event. 1.4 Billion people! That’s not counting how many die in war. There are earthquakes, devastating earthquakes. Remember the first “planet swarm” earthquake? That’s the “christmas tsunami” a few years back.

Millions will die in the earthquake. Hundreds of thousands die from famine. Thousands die in pandemics. And not to mention the spread of bacteria from massive amounts of dead bodies, over a billion and a half of them. It takes days to bury a thousand people dead from a catastrophe. I cannot imagine the time it will take to bury a billion.

It’s very probable that the death toll from the first seven seals will be two billion people.

Is that bad? Uh. yeah…. that’s one third of the planet. It’s the equivalent of everyone in India and China dying all at once.

“The first three and a half years of the Tribulation are not too bad, pretty peaceful…”

If that’s your definition of “not too bad…” I’d hate to see your definition of “horrific”. The first two years of the Tribulation sound like a nightmare to me.

And you believe Christians have to go through that?

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:18 (KJV)

I’m not seeing that, how if you tell me reassuringly, “Odds are very good you’ll die a horrific death if you survive world war, famine, plague,and worldwide earthquakes. You’ll be starving, cold, sick, probably gravely injured as they drag you out into the streets and shoot you. Or maybe you’ll have to get strapped into the guillotine and be beheaded. Don’t worry. Nothing to lose your head over. Bye!”


I’ve listed many, many arguments in other blog posts FOR the pre-trib rapture. I’ve demolished the arguments for mid trib and post trib. I’m going to leave you with this…

I’m going to rob you of your only proof text.

Who is Matthew 24 speaking to?

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24 (KJV)

4 For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. Isaiah 45:4 (KJV)

Who is this talking to?

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Matthew 24:16 (KJV)

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Luke 21:20-22 (KJV)

not a word about Rome. Nary a word about any of the kingdoms of the Gentiles. Israel. Jerusalem.

Matthew 24 is speaking to Jews.

I just took your only proof text away from you.

Oh, and what you say is the post-trib rapture?

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mark 13:27 (KJV)

Doesn’t it say “heaven”? Then obviously, this is not the Rapture, is it? The Rapture is the bringing TO heaven… Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are speaking about collecting those IN heaven!

Okay, without resorting to Matthew 24 or Mark 13, or Galatians 3:28… go ahead and prove a post-trib rapture from the Bible. Not from human reasoning, but from the Bible.

Good luck! You can’t. It’s not possible,