Reasoned Atonement


What do I mean by Reasoned atonement?
Simply, that you can actually reason your way through the problem logically without resorting to tracts or a witness from everyone.
Quite literally, this is why the Bible says that…

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? ” Romans 2:1-4(KJV)

So, quite simply, what this means is, one can deduce the existence of God and the need for atonement… solely by what you see and experience around you. This is the cosmological argument.

Here we go:

We can see the universe around us is vast, that things are far too orderly to be left to chance. Universal laws such as speed of sound, electrons having a negative charge, etc., prove there is too much order to the universe. If things happened by chance – and I proved that many of the theories advanced to prove that long ago were busted – then there would not be universal rules and constants.

We also can see by observing nature that sometimes we cannot trust our senses. This means we are poor judges of what we see and experience. Optical illusions are readily available. There is too many mirage events which sometimes are the result of humidity and sunlight – such as “mysterious lights around Mexico”. Those aren’t flying saucers, they are theorized to be reflections in an atmosphere of gases vapors, etc. Auto headlights can sometimes be seen reflected great distances. One infamous mirage of a steamship sailing over a desert was reported. The steamship was real – it was just hundreds of miles away from the desert on the ocean.

We have universal senses of right and wrong. Although it angers people for me to say it, we all know that taking something that does not belong to you is wrong. We all know that murder is wrong. If you’re going to try to tell me that you have no inner sense of right and wrong, I’m going to advise you see a professional for possible diagnosis as a sociopath.Indeed, the existence of Sociopaths proves to us that if something in them is not functioning correctly, there is an innate sense of right and wrong.
Before you rush to harass me…Sorry. I don’t allow comments.

Anyway, proceeding on (it’s too late – you’re going to be judged by God, so might as well read this!) if there is a sense of right and wrong, this means that someone put that there. There’s no “Evolution” – no proof for it and tons against it. And that sense logically would not be a product of evolution. It’s the product of that which is perfect Good programming us.
So, if so, then we have a problem, since man is incapable of being good. The Atheist campaign a couple of years ago “be good for goodness sake” resulted in zero permanently changed lives! We cannot be good. Give us a law, we’ll break it. Give us a rule, we’ll try to get around it.

So, what then? If we break the laws programmed into us by this supreme Good being, then what is that? Your hands now are polluted. “Well, I’ll work my own salvation by doing nothing but good deeds.”
Won’t work. Your hands are now polluted. You have no way to atone for your sins.

So it requires a man without sins to atone for your sins, since you can’t.
So, how can we find a man without sin? He would have to be God!
Very well. Name me one person, just one, who claimed to come to die for everyone, because He was without sin, and God.
I can think of only one name.

Jesus Christ.

There you go. Reasoned atonement. Want me to prove everything? Easy.
Go to any bookstore and buy a King James Bible.

Hey, meet any of the readers of my blog and ask them for one, and I’ll just bet they FESTER to give you one.

I’e got entire article series’ on these subjects. Historical proofs for the Bible. Inerrancy of the Bible. Proofs of Jesus Christ. Answering evolution. Answering the cults.

So here’s my final point. You can have atonement by accepting through faith the atonement of Jesus Christ. What do you have to do? Repent, and believe.

That’s it!

So, what if you DON’T accept the Jesus of the Bible, but instead a Jesus of the cults, the brother of (l’havdil) satan, the good man Jesus, then eastern mystic Jesus, the aquarian conspiracy Jesus, the archangel Michael Jesus. None of these are the Jesus of the Bible.

Then you have no atonement.

So if those who have atonement go to heaven, where do the rest of humanity go?

Where are you going?

Think on these things.

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The Ressurection


HE IS RISEN

The Tomb is empty.

2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. Matthew 28:2-4 (KJV)

1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Matthew 28:1 (KJV)

5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. 8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. Matthew 28:5-8 (KJV)

The testimony of the women would not be permitted in a court of law under the courts of that time.

What does this mean?

If the Apostles were making up the ressurection… they picked a mighty poor opener. That’s not the kind of detail you make up. If I was inventing the Ressurection, it would have been Peter who opened the tomb, and the Lord came forth.

The whole ressurection story has been examined by doctors, historians, judges and lawyers, scientists and laymen alike. Those who examine it for the purpose of finding the truth… find it. And many who examined it for the purpose of debunking it…. end up embracing it.

Josh McDowell. Lee Strobel. and many others, including some of the finest legal minds the world has known. Frank Morrison is one. They studied to scoff and disprove.

They bowed to the facts.

Historians and geographers studied the Gospels, and came to the conclusion that they are factual history.

11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. 12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. 14 And if this come to the governor’s ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day. 16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. Matthew 28:11-16 (KJV)

Within a couple of years, Rome’s Senate would pass a bill declaring grave robbing in Judea to be a capital crime. For Rome’s senate to make such a decision meant that the entire region was under unrest due to a missing body.

I wonder whose.

Here’s what really happened. Ready? Ready for the truth?

A Roman guard, a large number of men who took courses (shifts) standing watch, guarded the tomb. Somehow someone walked past a large number of men, rolled back a tomb stone (it’s pretty big and heavy) and carried off a body wtihout anyone noticing.

“Hey! You! What are you doing???”

Sound silly? Not buying it?

Of course not. it’s illogical.

Okay, here’s what really happened. The Roman Guard was standing watch on the Tomb. There was a massive earthquake, the door to the Tomb rolled backward by some unknown means, and the Lord walked out of the Tomb, magnificent and radiant, full of power, and very much alive.

The Roman Guard fell to the ground in terror, some of them apparently passing out.

They were arrested, brought to trial. The Rabbi’s gave them a large bribe. They told the cover story. The Procurator (an officer of the Legion acting as the judge) reminds them of the penalty (death) and asks them to tell the truth please.

They do. They tell the procurator, “look – either the dead man in the tomb came forth alive, whole, and glowing with power and holiness, as if the Son of God…. or we were asleep and they stole the body. That’s what the Jews want us to say. They paid us a lot of money. Now, we didn’t fall asleep. You decide what story you want the people to know.”

The Procurator would have thought about it… looked at the men, and knew they were not likely to have slept. He held out his hand for part of the money, and grunted…”Tell everyone you were asleep. Now give me some of the gold, and get out.”

That’s what happened.

13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. 22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; 23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. 25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? 33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, 34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. 35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread. Luke 24:13-35 (KJV)

The Lord is risen indeed.

16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. Matthew 28:16-17 (KJV)

If they were making it up… the last part of verse 17 would never have been part of it.

So, He is risen.

What will you do with that knowledge?

Will you live for Him, who died for you?

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:18-20 (KJV)

IFB Blogs


Out of all the IFB blogs there were out there, a number of them – most of them – are gone.

I think it’s just battle fatigue. When you start a IFB, Narrow is the way, King James only blog, you immediately are beset on all sides from apostates and heretics who want to argue with you. And precious few people come on and say, “That article was great!”

no, they want to argue.

It takes a toll on you.

There were some that started a year ago, when I was writing articles on how to start one. They’re gone now.

It’s really tough. And you, after a few months, struggle through the feeling you’re fighting this alone.

You’re not, but boy, it really feels that way.

Oddly enough, the most common challenges I was getting was from Roman Catholic apologists, most of whom are apostate Protestants. So this last year, i did something I needed to do, and took a month off. And I threw up my entire Roman Catholic apologetics series again, after a Roman Catholic apologist demanded that “just ONCE I’d like to see a protestant answer these questions!”

So, I’m not a protestant – I’m a Baptist – but I obliged him. He made no comment at all, because the very first thing in that series I challenge is the Magisterium.

So, if you’re one of the few left with IFB blogs, when it gets tough, consider taking a month off. It helps. Then back into the battle.

If you’re debating whether you should start one… yes. Go back through my archives to find the blog articles on starting an apologetics blog.

Frank Sandford


I’m working hard on my thesis, and I’m hoping I have the rough draft finished and submitted by the time this is published.

Where did Pentecostalism start? Anyone know?

Some of you will point to Charles Parham. Good. You’re on the right track. Some will point to E. W. Kenyon. You’re only part right, and you’re missing the biggest mover and shaker out of all of them.

I’m going to say that it really started with Charles and John Wesley. They got Christians into a mindset of seeking for an emotional reaction as proof of holiness and God’s favor.

That set the tone.

The Second Great Awakening, which I wrote about yesterday, set up the petri dish that Pentecostalism would grow in. “Barton Stone had people laying on the ground and BARKING!!!” And yes, when you seek for emotional reactions, you’re not going to be satisfied until you get them. If you really want emotional reactions, turn on General Hospital or Days of our Lives.

All of Pentecostalism traces its way back to four men.

  1. Frank Sandford
  2. Charles Parham
  3. John Dowie
  4. E. W. Kenyon

And culprit number one is the biggest name. Frank Sandford was a school teacher-amateur baseball player turned preacher. He had a pretty dramatic conversion, and went from being a brawler and foul mouthed man to suddenly being a man of God. He aimed for attending Seminary as soon as he was converted, and seven years later, was attending.

30 days later, he was pastoring a church.

Wait. Does that strike anyone as wrong? The Bible specifically urges we lay hands suddenly on no one, that they not be a new convert, lest they be puffed up, and that they study to shew thyselves approved.

Frank Sandford was not a new convert in any sense of the word – but he had not studied to shew himself approved. He attended Bates College for 30 days, was ordained, and off and running. The Freewill Baptist denominations did this twice, where they’d take a man who’d never finished Bible College and made them a pastor. No kidding, they’re still doing it – a local Freewill Baptist church replaced a pastor with a man who’d graduated from business School, and he’s destroyed what was a strong church. Even the mice escaped that building.

Frank Sandford would create a storm of wreckage, and influence others. John Dowie, a faith healer from Australia and deep psychosis issues, would be influenced by Sandford. Charles Parham was also influenced by Sandford.

It seems that only E. W. Kenyon, out of the four, was completely indifferent to Sandford’s influence.

Sandford would go into and out of the ministry, and his behaviour was almost more that of a man with severe mental issues than a man of God. At one point, he was content to live in the basement of his in-law’s. He suffered from brief auditory hallucinations, hearing spoken words he attributed to being from God. He became convinced he was in turn King David, Elijah the prophet, and John the Baptist.

He decided to set up a religious commune in Durham, Maine, called Shiloh. If you drive from Lewiston to Durham, you’ll see what’s left of Shiloh – one building I think. It used to be three imposing buildings.

Everyone would pray for six hours every thursday. They would keep the laws of Moses. nobody could have any debt. And they were to seek the anointing of the holy ghost.

Dowie traveled to America at that time, and hearing of Sandford and Shiloh, starts Zion City after haunting the Chicago Word Fair for some time. Dowie, feeling himself to be a man of God, cannot be out-done by Sandford’s wild eye pronouncements, and eventually proclaims himself an apostle, then finally Elijah the prophet and high priest. So, America was blessed double that of Israel – we had two Elijah’s, and they only had one! Except theirs did amazing things, and ours only got people killed.

Charles Parham, who’d left a Methodist college (he was not getting specific Seminary training, despite what the histories say – I’ve got copies of his grades, and can tell you what classes he was taking!), was seeking how to teach the baptism of the Holy Ghost. So, he traveled to see A. B. Simpson, another mentally deranged Holiness teacher (read his Nyack diaries – it’s very sad to see untreated mental illness), then on to Shiloh, where he stays with Sandford for three months or so. He attempts to coerce Sandford, whose people were speaking what they thought were foreign languages without anyone to interpret, into getting his people to pray in unknown tongues. Sandford is brusque in his refusal, and Parham leaves to see Dowie.

Sandford goes into a rage, and institutes a purge. Everyone would have to undergo an inquisition, “fair, clear and terrible” as Sandford pronounces it (and yielding a book about Shiloh with that title). Several are foun d wanting and cast out. One or two of those are permitted back. The others, finding the thought of eating three meals a day exciting and new, decide death by starvation at Shiloh seems a little extreme, and they praise God that they’re out of there.

Parham says nothing about his time at Dowie’s. No doubt he found Dowie too deranged over the death of his youngest daughter years before and the shock of most of his first congregation dying from some virulent epidemic. So Parham returns home, full of Sandford’s doctrines but nothing in the way of Dowie. Parham then starts his Bethel Bible College, where Agnes Ozman – who apparently had been part of the group that had gone with Parham to Shiloh and Zion City – became the “First” to speak in tongues.

I’m surprised Sandford didn’t storm down to Kansas and beat Parham thoroughly, but at that time, Sandford was fixated on getting yachts to sail the world in, and proclaim himself King David over in Israel. And Sandford was convinced that he and one of his right hand men was going to be killed by the Antichrist in Jerusalem in a few months anyway.

Was Agnes Ozman the first to speak in tongues? No, she just had a far more effective press agent in Parham, who managed to spread the news far more effectively than Sandford. People had been speaking in tongues at Shiloh for over six years by the time Parham had visited. And the Fire Holiness movement has claimed to be speaking in tongues for seven years before Shiloh.

But Sandford set the pattern for all of them to follow. After Sandford was released in prison for the deaths of those who sailed the oceans with him, he retired in relative obscurity. No more healings. No more wild eyed pronouncements. And because he’d spent his time in prison teaching the inmates the Bible and baseball, he’d recovered much of his faculties. No more voices speaking to him. Or at least, he was recognizing them as a delusion, and ignoring them now. He was apparently, well, functional. And when questioned about the Pentecostal movement which had spread from one of Parham’s students, Sandford had only this to say: “It’s not of God, but a trick of the devil.”

Barton Stone


In American history, there’s two periods of intense religious fervor: the Great Awakening, started by George Whitefield, and the Second Great Awakening. The second great awakening actually was started by a new pastor, who challenged his North Carolina church to repent, and was convinced to move elsewhere when they smeared fresh blood on his pulpit.

He moved elsewhere, and started a Revival. What was odd that, at the same time, a Presbyterian minister was doing the same thing. Barton Stone – like Charles Finney who would come later – began to rebel at the Creeds he was forced to agree with, and began to preach that disagreement. He wrote “The last will and testament” for that church, signifying that they would not agree with anything except the Bible.

And so, the Second Great Awakening was started, as Alexander Campbell joined hands with Stone. Campbell was teaching Baptismal Regeneration, a heresy. Oddly enough, that was not the reason they separated, but rather, disagreements over the polity of the church.

Why did Barton Stone – who apparently a college was named after – not have a problem with Baptismal regeneration? Didn’t it bother him that his partner in revival was teaching salvation by works, and was a heretic?

Not at all. Because Barton Stone was himself a Arian. He taught that Christ was God only in the sense He was “filled by the Father”.

Yup, that’s Arianism.

And the description of Stone’s revivals sounds more like a Rodney Howard-Browne affair than does a revival run by Whitefield. Reports have people falling on the ground and laying there for prolonged periods, twisting their bodies and banging they forehead and hells on the ground repeatedly, spasmodic jerking and twitching that lasted for prolonged periods, barking like dogs, howling, running…

And I can’t fuss at anyone about it, because this was back in the 1830’s, and I’m pretty sure that most of the participants have long since gone into their final reward. Hopefully, most of them recovered and repented, and got saved – or they’re spending their eternity with Barton Stone, which is an uncomfortable consolation to know that, well, you’re not the only one in torment.

Real repentence, real revivals, cause people to live for the Lord. You become aware that you’re a sinner, separated from God by the weight of your sins. Even one sin is enough to damn you forever, without Christ’s atonement.

Real Revivals create churches, leaders. A small church revival created Gypsy Smith, who had a somewhat bizarre salvation testimony, but his life showed the fruits of it. And he spend the rest of his life as an evangelist, tireless in his efforts to win souls. Real Revivals create changes in people’s lives – you enter into public ministry. If your church holds an emotional event with preaching and people coming forward, and two months later, it looks like no event ever happened, you wasted your time. It wasn’t a revival. I suppose in a certain way, revival is the right word – it means something is in a coma or dead, which describes most churches today.

Real revivals create that person who attends church faithfully for years, and suddenly she’s aware she could feed the poor. And so she steps out, and soon a food pantry is made that takes care of the poor for generations. These are not optional ministries – a cursory reading of the New Testament will show that James has harsh words for those who did not take care of the poor. If your church doesn’t have a food pantry, you all best get ready to take the light bulbs out of the fixture, because the Lord will not tolerate that out of one of His churches for very long.

Revivals create that quiet, desperate man in the back row, wishing he could do something for the Lord. So he starts a Bible study in his home, hoping at least two people will show up. And five years later, at his church commissioning, he’s weeping before God that his one little prayer for two people at a Bible study yielded a pulpit for him.

Revivals do not make people fall. Bark. Howl. Run. Twist and go into grand mal seizures. jerk, shake and twitch for hours. If Barton Stone was truly dedicated to his “Bible alone” message, he’d have called out from the pulpit for people to get off the ground. He’d have wept in horror over what was going on, and shut down the revival. He’d have abandoned his Arian stance and accepted the Trinity. He’d have separated from the Campbells, and preached loudly against their salvation by works heresy.

So, the second great awakening revival was corrupt even before it really got started. Where did it lead us? To the Holiness Fire movement, to the birthplace of Pentecostalism.

Revival starts in the pew you’re sitting in. When a revival starts from rebellion, and not from a desire to reach people for the Lord, it’s doomed right away.

An exchange from last year


Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:35 AM

From: daniel <*******@hotmail.com>

To: philipdean@

Subject: the narrow way includes keeping the 10 commandments

Hello,

I saw your blog, and while was encouraged to see many things you write exactly along biblical lines, you put down the 10 Commandments which were written by the finger of God himself.

Why?

Sincerely,

Daniel

From: Philip Dean

Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 6:16 AM

To: daniel

Subject: Re: the narrow way includes keeping the 10 commandments

The ten commandments are for the Jews – they were given to the Jews.

You are right that indeed they were written by the finger of God.

To be brief, 9 of the 10 commandments were all restated in the New Testament and are to be followed. Only one was not. The Sabbath was given to the Jews, and is the sign of the old covenant, which we no longer are under.

Philip Dean

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! 1 Corinthians 9:16 (KJV)

https://matthew714ministries.wordpress.com/

Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 at 3:47 AM

From: daniel <*******@hotmail.com>

To: “Philip Dean” <philipdean@>

Subject: Re: the narrow way includes keeping the 10 commandments

Thank you for responding, Philip,

When God made everything, he did it in 6 days, and rested the 7th. He has commanded us to do the same.

You are correct that Jesus was a Jew. He kept all the law.

Shouldn’t we be like Jesus?

Daniel

(I notice here he dodged the point of “The sabbath was given to the Jews”)

From: Philip Dean

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:15 AM

To: daniel

Subject: Re: the narrow way includes keeping the 10 commandments

Shouldn’t we be like Jesus? The first two questions are…. are you God?

Second, are you Jewish? The Sabbath was never incumbent on Gentiles, ever.

I repeat – all of the ten commandments were repeated in the New Testament except for the Sabbath. The Sabbath is no longer binding upon us.

I wonder if you really know what is enjoined in keeping the Sabbath? You may not carry a burden in or out of your house on the sabbath. You may not work on the Sabbath. You may not light a fire on the Sabbath, so you have to pre-set your electric lights that you want to have on for the sabbath. You’ll need boxes of kleenexes to use as toilet paper on the Sabbath, as creation and destruction are both considered work under the Law.

You’ll need to pre-make your meals, and leave them on low heat on a heated sheet on your stove (a blech). You cannot brew coffee, so it has to be pre-made.

You cannot write on the Sabbath.

You cannot drive your car on the sabbath, as automobiles use a combustion engine.

Are you SURE you want to keep the sabbath? Once you do, you place yourself under the law, and are responsible for keeping all of the 613.

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10 (KJV)

We are NO LONGER under the law. See Galatians, Colossians, Hebrews. If you are born again, then you have died to the law. You cannot be born again without dying to the law.

Are you SDA or Messianic?

Philip Dean

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! 1 Corinthians 9:16 (KJV)

https://matthew714ministries.wordpress.com/

Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 at 6:55 PM

(His response actually violates the Sabbath, by the way…sent after sundown)

From: daniel <*******@hotmail.com>

To: “Philip Dean” <philipdean@>

Subject: Re: the narrow way includes keeping the 10 commandments

Hello Philip,

Your long list of man-made rules about keeping the Sabbath is impressive.

However, that has nothing at all to do with God’s command to “Keep the Sabbath holy”.

Don’t you want to live like Jesus?

Daniel

From: Philip Dean

Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:43 AM

To: daniel

Subject: Re: the narrow way includes keeping the 10 commandments

Good job not answering the questions! You approached this somewhat dishonestly, as if you wanted to be taught, have a question answered. I see now what you want is a debate. First, you have to answer the questions I have posed.

You have repeated the question “Live like Jesus.” My questions there were

A). Are you God? Jesus is God. To live like Jesus requires you to be God.

B). Are you Jewish? The Sabbath was given only to Jews.

1 And God spake all these words, saying, 2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

What people were brought out of the land of Egypt, the house of Bondage? Jews.

Are you Jewish?

As for man made rules, here you go… these are from the Bible!

19 And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day. Nehemiah 13:19 (KJV)

21 Thus saith the LORD; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem; Jeremiah 17:21 (KJV)

22 Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers. Jeremiah 17:22 (KJV)

24 And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the LORD, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein; Jeremiah 17:24 (KJV)

27 But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched. Jeremiah 17:27 (KJV)

3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. Leviticus 23:3 (KJV)

4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. Leviticus 25:4 (KJV)

6 And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee, Leviticus 25:6 (KJV)

14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. Deuteronomy 5:14 (KJV)

31 And if the people of the land bring ware or any victuals on the sabbath day to sell, that we would not buy it of them on the sabbath, or on the holy day: and that we would leave the seventh year, and the exaction of every debt. Nehemiah 10:31 (KJV)

When you’re reading your Bible, SLOW DOWN and dwell on the words. Creation is work – you may not make or build on the Sabbath. Destruction is work – you may not break, cut, tear, etc on the Sabbath.

These are not man made rules – it’s in the Bible. Starting fires on the Sabbath is forbidden on the Sabbath. You’ve read this, correct?

Before we go any further, or answer the questions in this email, you need to answer the questions I had asked in the previous one, including whether you’re SDA or Messianic.

Philip Dean

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! 1 Corinthians 9:16 (KJV)

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Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 7:25 PM

From: daniel <*******@hotmail.com>

To: “Philip Dean” <philipdean@>

Subject: Re: the narrow way includes keeping the 10 commandments

Hello Philip,

In my first comment to you, I wrote: “I saw your blog, and while was encouraged to see many things you write exactly along biblical lines, you put down the 10 Commandments which were written by the finger of God himself. Why? ”

Is it because the words “Don’t you want to live like Jesus?” are pricking your conscience?

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. Luke 4:16.

Let’s live like Jesus, and follow all the words of God.

Daniel

(classic – ignore the questions, and repeat yourself. Oh. and don’t forget the accusation that he’s getting to me! When I read this, I actually said, “REALLY????” out loud)

From: Philip Dean

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 7:58 AM

To: daniel

Subject: Re: the narrow way includes keeping the 10 commandments

Sir,

No, the words “don’t you want to live like Jesus” are not pricking my conscience. Not Hardly. I am Jewish. I spent my time keeping the Law. I spent more than my time trying to be a good, observant Jew. I was Shomer Shabbos, I prayed my Tehillas Hashem, I was living like a good Frummishe Yid.

All I notice is that you are refusing to answer the questions. You’re being VERY evasive about answering them.

Philip Dean

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! 1 Corinthians 9:16 (KJV)

https://matthew714ministries.wordpress.com/

Hello Philip,

Before the real Jesus comes in the clouds, the counterfeit Jesus will come and show himself to be God.

He will try to force everyone to worship on his holy day – Sunday.

Will you follow him, or will you follow the real Jesus and keep his holy day – the 7th day Sabbath?

I will pray you make the right decision, so that we can live together forever with Jesus in glory!

Daniel

Sir, I have repeatedly asked you to answer the questions. You have been remarkably evasive about it. Until you do answer the questions I have asked, we can go no further. I do presume from your comments that you are SDA. You should probably read my series on that before we go any further.

Philip Dean

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! 1 Corinthians 9:16 (KJV)

https://matthew714ministries.wordpress.com/

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Rend your hearts


It’s time.

Stop living for yourself, and live for the Lord! Will you surrender all? I mean, it’s one of the most popular “specials” to be sung at a church, but the way we mean it, we should be singing, “I surrender some…”

This may be very close to the Rapture. If not, I’ve set up powerful, persuasive arguments for you to start living for God. You know, all those things about pursue Holiness???

“Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:” (1 Peter 1:13–17, KJV)

No, this is not under the law! If you’re already saved, it’s not earning your salvation, or works salvation! (I can’t believe I even have to make these disclaimers anymore!!!).

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” (Hebrews 12:14, KJV)

“To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:” (1 Thessalonians 3:13–4:3, KJV)

Everyone reading this – please consider this. live for Jesus Christ. He died for you, that you might live for Him. He rose again, and set us on high with Him. We are all altogether wretched, yet He died for us, that we might live forever.