“Open Fire” by Paige Patterson


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A Southern Baptist seminary president said Nov. 29 that Baptists who adopt Calvinistic theology and practice ought to consider joining another denomination.“I know there are a fair number of you who think you are a Calvinist, but understand there is a denomination which represents that view,” Paige Patterson, president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, said at the close of Tuesday’s chapel service. “It’s called Presbyterian.”

As a former Southern Baptist, I can say this is “open fire” almost at the very last second before losing the convention forever. There are too many Presbyterians in the SBC holding teaching positions. As I said before, if you’re Calvinist… go get your own convention. There is no such thing as a “Calvinist Baptist”. There is only a Baptist with confused soteriology, or there is Presbyterians.

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Seminary graduate with a Ba. in Theology/Pastoral Studies, Happily married, Independent Baptist. I can't keep silent about what I see going on in Christianity any longer! Apostasy reigns around us, churches are sliding into worldiness, a whitewashed Gospel is preached everywhere... "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Jeremiah 6:16 (KJV) So, I'm speaking out. ...Why aren't you???

6 thoughts on ““Open Fire” by Paige Patterson”

    1. Historically, Baptists are not Calvinist. Calvinism dates to 1552, which is about 1519 years after the Baptists started. Baptists have always believed in “Whosoever will”, but we are not Arminianist. Arminianism leads to universalism, and believes wrongly one can lose their salvation. I would recommend you read the Trail of Blood book, and David Cloud has much information on wayoflife.org about Baptist history, and historical Baptist doctrines.
      Calvinism is not biblical, as Calvin believed in double predestination, and a host of other issues, based upon TULIP. Predestination is according to God’s foreknowledge of who would accept or reject His gospel.

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      1. Ok….I am seriously misinformed then. I was under the impression that the first baptists churches were the 1609 group in Amsterdam and the 1612 group with Helwys. Who were the baptists before these guys? and what baptists were around 1519 years before Calvin??

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      2. The Baptists have been around since 33 AD, under various names. The Henricians and the Waldenses go back to the 11th century, before that the Donatists, the Albigenses, Mennonites and many others sometimes referred to as Anabaptists, including Lollards, Arnoldists, Paulicians, Catharists, Novations, montantists, and many other names. Central to their faith and practice was salvation by faith through grace, a regenerate church body only, and believer’s baptism. None of these groups believed in Calvinistic election, but predestination by foreknowledge.
        Robert Barclay, who was a Quaker, said about the the Anabaptists: “As we shall afterwards shew, the rise of the “Anabaptists” took place long prior to the formation of the Church of England, and there are also reasons for believing that on the continent of Europe small hidden Christian societies, who have held many of the opinions of the “Anabaptists,” have existed from the times of the Apostles. In the sense of the direct transmission of Divine Truth, and the true nature of spiritual religion, it seems probable that these Churches have a lineage or succession more ancient than that of the Roman Church” (Inner Life of the Religious Societies of the Commonwealth, p. 11, 12).

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  1. Also I was always taught that it was Pelagius who believed that election was founded on God’s foreknowledge of who would believe. Here is one reference work I can quote (of course, from TheWord Bible software!):

    “It is clear, however, from passages in Pelagius’s Commentary on St. Paul’s Epistles that he was opposed to any view of an absolute predestination to salvation or damnation, recognizing only a predestination founded upon foreknowledge. God, he believed, destined for salvation those who, as He knew, would believe in Him and obey His commandments, and for damnation in like manner those who would continue in sin. Thus he explains Romans 9:15, “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,” to mean, I will have mercy on him whom I have foreknown to be able to merit mercy, and on another verse of the same chapter he comments in very explicit language, “God’s foreknowledge does not prejudge sinners should they be willing to be converted. The prophecy, ‘Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated,’ is not concerning those who are Jacob and Esau according to the flesh, but concerning those who were to be good or evil by works, and by the works themselves to have the hatred of God or to obtain His mercy.” Article on Pelagius in William Smith and Henry Wace, A Dictionary of Christian Biography, Literature, Sects and Doctrines.

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    1. You had to quote from Theword!!! Lol!
      Calling it Pelagianism and semi-pelagianism is a smokescreen, really…
      “I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” (John 6:51, KJV)
      Does “Any man” mean “Any man” or the Elect?
      “In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.” (John 7:37, KJV)
      Same Question
      “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.” (John 10:9, KJV)
      “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” (John 11:26, KJV)
      “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16, KJV)
      Whosoever believeth… so loved the world… You can’t replace those words with “the Elect”, which essentially is what Calvinist teachers will tell you.

      As for the Elect, who are the Elect? According to the law of first usage,
      “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; Mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.” (Isaiah 42:1, KJV)
      The Jewish people WERE the elect. Now, both Jew and Gentile together form the elect, those who God calls to accept salvation.
      So, who does God call?
      “And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” (Revelation 22:17, KJV)
      “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Acts 2:21, KJV)
      I could go on and on. I’m not going to convince you – only your own study will do that – but I’ve got a lot of writings on Calvinism that prove my point. My writings will not convince, but prayerful study over the Bible and a determination to accept the will of God no matter where it leads.
      Like David Cloud, I’ve done studies on this several times. If I truly believed Calvinism was Biblical, I’d be a Calvinist.
      It’s up to you if you want to study it.

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