12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD. Exodus 12:12 (KJV)
Now, let me address another part of Dr. Hagins’s assertion – that the worship of Egypt is the true god, and the true religion, and that Europeans stole it. Again, I will not be able to answer all of this tonight, but may be able to answer more in detail this weekend…
Let me ask some simple questions Dr. Hagins has not considered.
If Egypt is the true religion, i.e., the true god is the Egyptian pantheon of Horus, Semiramis, Ra, Set, Anubis, etc…
- why did the Egyptian religion fail? If the Egyptian mythos is the true religion, would not Ra be angered that all persons had left their worship? Would they not be punishing the world for forsaking them?
- What exactly are the plagues Egypt swore would befall the world for forsaking their mythos? where are these prophecies written, and where is the historical fulfillment of those plagues or curses?
- why have the Egyptian holy writings not survived intact, miraculously preserved like the Bible has been?
- where have the followers of Ra been, since 50 BC?
- what fulfilled prophecies and miracles prove the Egyptian religion is the true religion?
- If the Egyptian religion is the true religion, why did Ra, Horus, Set, and the others allow the God of the Hebrews to utterly humiliate them during the 10 plagues and afterwards during the Exodus?
- if the Egyptian mythos is the true religion, why did the legends, beliefs and practices of that religion change over time?
- are the Egyptian pantheon capricious and fickle? Why would they change the legends, beliefs and practices of their religion if they were the true religion?
- Why is it only the rulers of Egypt were permitted to enter the afterlife? what about the common Egyptian? Where is their elaborate pyramids?
- What are the Egyptian doctrines of sin and atonement? if the Egyptian gods are the true gods, how do you bridge the gap when you’ve offended them? If you have sinned and offended your gods, your sin offerings are tainted by your hands… so how can you atone for them? and if the Egyptian gods are going to atone for them, when did they do it, and which one elected to do it? Where in the Egyptian writings is this recorded in prophecy then fulfilled?
- If the afterlife of the Egyptians is limited to the Pharaohs, then for heaven’s sake what’s the point? Are YOU a Pharaoh? If not, you better amass one big army and get ready for a nasty fight, because the Egyptian military is no joke – and they’re not just about to sit back and let you conquer their country with an offended, “I say! That’s very rude!”
- How do we benefit from these doctrines if we are not Pharaohs? Trust me, Egyptian motif decor around your house does not make you a Pharaoh. How do we benefit, without our own elaborate tombs? and why does it require elaborate tombs? To launch us into the afterlife? If the Egyptian gods are so powerful, can’t they give you a boost, or afoot-up? how about a jump start, or reaching down a hand or a ladder for you to climb up?
- And if you do build your elaborate tomb, what difference does it make if it’s not exactly perfect? What if its 500 feet on one side, and 500 feet 2 inches on another? Does that affect it at all? Everyone makes a big deal about the supposed perfection of the Great Pyramid – what about the Bent Pyramid??? Did its owner make it into the afterlife? “sorry buddy – you hired cheap labor!”
So, now, let me start answering the video, now that I’ve asked these questions.
Dr. Hagins makes a big deal about the stories of the Bible supposedly being stolen from Egypt. it’s interesting to me that several people have placed challenges for Dr. Hagins to produce any documentary evidence for his claims, and he has yet to avail himself of any of the reward money, which amounts to tens of thousands of dollars. If someone were to place a challenge to me to produce documents I had in my possession and the reward was $10,000 or more, I’d be driving to the bank to deposit that cash!
Dr. Norman Geisler, author of more than 70 books, writes, “The first real parallel of a dying and rising god does not appear until A.D. 150, more than a hundred years after the origin of Christianity. So if there was any influence of one on the other, it was the influence of the historical event of the New Testament [resurrection] on mythology, not the reverse. The only known account of a god surviving death that predates Christianity is the Egyptian cult god Osiris. In this myth, Osiris is cut into fourteen pieces, scattered around Egypt, then reassembled and brought back to life by the goddess Isis. However, Osiris does not actually come back to physical life but becomes a member of a shadowy underworld…This is far different than Jesus’ resurrection account where he was the gloriously risen Prince of life who was seen by others on earth before his ascension into heaven….even if there are myths about dying and rising gods prior to Christianity, that doesn’t mean the New Testaments writers copied from them. The fictional TV show Star Trek preceded the U.S. Space Shuttle program, but that doesn’t mean that newspaper reports of space shuttle missions are influenced by Star Trek episodes!” (I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be An Atheist, 2004, p. 312).
Dr. Ronald Nash, the author of many books including The Meaning of History and The Gospel andthe Greeks: Did the New Testament Borrow from Pagan Thought? writes, “Which mystery gods actually experienced a resurrection from the dead? Certainly no early texts refer to any resurrectionof Attis. Attempts to link the worship of Adonis to a resurrection are equally weak. Nor is the case for a resurrection of Osiris any stronger. After Isis gathered together the pieces of Osiris’s dismembered body, he became “Lord of the Underworld.”….And of course no claim can be made that Mithras was a dying and rising god. French scholar Andre Boulanger concludes: “The conception that the god dies and is resurrected in order to lead his faithful to eternal life is represented in no Hellenistic mystery religion.” (The Gospel and the Greeks: Did the NewTestament Borrow from Pagan Thought?, p. 161-162)
Dr. Gary Habermas and Dr. J.P. Moreland write, “Not one clear case of any alleged resurrection teaching appears in any pagan text before the late second century A.D., almost one hundred years after the New Testament was written.” (Cited by Dan Story in The Christian Combat Manual: Helps for Defending your Faith: A Handbook for Practical Apologetics, 2007, p. 206).
The Claims of Dr. Hagins are astoundingly similar to the Zeitgeist movie, so much so I have to wonder if Hagins was influenced by it? This kind of shoddy research has been going on since the 1960’s. What it amounts to is the speculate writings of someone in the 60’s, who was quickly refuted by Christian Apologists. However, the writings would be quoted by someone else without bothering to research, and lo and behold, we have to answer it again. And again. and again.
Dr. Ben Witherington says, “There was no such thing as the concept of bodily resurrection in Egyptian religion, and certainly not of a mythological deity, Horus, was not believed to have a human body. Sometimes commentators will use the term resurrection to speak loosely about an afterlife in another world, not a bodily return to this world.” (“The Zeitgeist of the ‘Zeitgeist Movie'”)
Michael Houdmann says, “Horus becoming a teacher at age 12 (mimicking the account of Jesus at the temple as a youth) is nowhere to be found in accounts of Horus; neither are there any statements to the effect that he had 12 “disciples.” According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers and some indications of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. No accounts of Horus being betrayed are found in his portrayals and he certainly did not die by crucifixion in any account. There is an incident described in one story of Horus being torn to pieces, with Iris requesting that the crocodile god pull him out of the water, but the movie does not mention this, as it does not fit their agenda. Further, the movie puts the account of Horus as originating in 3000 B.C., which predates the invention and practice of crucifixion, so there is another historical problem that must be overcome. The claims of Horus being buried for three days and resurrected are not to be found in any ancient Egyptian texts, either. Some accounts have Osiris being brought back to life by Isis and going to be the lord of the underworld. But there is no mention of a burial for three days and no mention of his physically coming out of a grave in the same physical body he went in with and never dying again. And there is certainly no account of Horus dying for others as Jesus did. In the end, the attempt to prove Horus was a picture/forerunner of Jesus simply fails from lack of any historical evidence.” (“Is There Any Validity to the Zeitgeist Movie?”)
The Zeitgeist movie began trucking out the same tired “stolen religion” conspiracies we’d been hearing since the 60’s. How did these originate?
“The Beatles. The Beatles grew long hair, we grew long hair. The Beatles dropped acid, we dropped acid. The Beatles discovered Hinduism, we discovered Hinduism.” a Beatles Fan (sorry this is another quote out of the memory banks – I don’t remember who said it – David Gerrold?)
Hippies began looking into Hinduism, because their idols began looking into it. Sloppy research led some to believe the quote of some Hindu Yogi’s that “Jesus came to India to study Hinduism”, and that was circulated for a long time. Others began to add the Attis (or Apis) Cult claims, then adding Mithra into it, then Hercules, etc. I can remember having a book listing all those claims like an encyclopedia. If all you did was read a book like that, it would be devastating. Unfortunately, ALL the claims were stretched beyond truth, or the product of shoddy research, and “a friend said that a friend said that a friend said…”
Bottom line is… this stuff has been circulated over and over again since around 1967. And it’s been refuted time and time again.
now Mr. Hagins is using shoddy research to push the same thing, this time borrowing the same “research” to push his agenda. It amounts to the same thing, just from an Egyptian perspective. I’ve already answered many of his claims with this series, and today (again) I’m only briefly answering what he’s got on this series. It would require an entire month’s worth of articles to show the rampant errors in his approach.
Hagins makes a big deal about Serapis. This is a combination of a Roman god Apis (or Attis) and an Egyptian god. Odd that he should be turning to one of the gods of one of the very cultures he despises, but that’s his prerogative, if he wants to be wrong.
On benstanhope, Hagin’s Serapis Letter is analyzed, and I quote…
Hagins tries to show Christianity and Jesus evolved out of Egyptian religion by quoting the following correspondence “dated” to AD 134:
“Egypt, which you commended to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent, and continually wafted about by every breath of fame. The worshipers of Serapis [here] are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis [I find], call themselves Bishops of Christ.”
So what’s the big deal? In short, this letter is a widely known forgery. It’s a fake.
Despite the obvious fact that the letter (if it were authentic) would be a century too old to demonstrate any meaningful Christian etiology, it is part of a late 4th century forgery entitled Historia Augusta. The Historia Augusta contains so many anachronisms that it is easily dated to AD 395. The “Serapis letter” itself is full of anachronisms demonstrating this point. Hadrian was only in Egypt in 130, and the letter mentions his adopted son Lucius Aelius, who Hadrian did not adopt until six years after. Hadrian also salutes Servianus as consul, but Servianus did receive position as consul until 134. The letter also mentions the “Patriarch of Jewry,” a position that did exist until he created it after the Jewish Revolt in 132.
Glanwill W. Bowersock, in a proceeding volume of the Genevan conference on the Historiae Augusae gives a scholastic survey of the dating of the texts. He writes:
“The presence of fiction in the Historia Augusta is by now an established fact. The mischievous author of this work pretended, as we all know, to be writing historical biographies; but this pretense, though compelling the inclusion of genuine historical material, imposed no perceptible limits on his wit and invention.”
Günter Stemberger (PhD Jewish studies, Innsbruck and Göttingen), commenting on the Serapis letter confirms, “We should hardly assume the existence of an actual event on which these remarks were based.”
If you’re interested in reading more on this, feel free to consult that web page. He does provide the citations for his quotes.
Since some will be searching for posts and web pages for Dr. Hagins, I’ll re-blog my post on proof for Jesus’s existence tomorrow, and then I’ll be done with this subject for a while, and should be finishing up this series. I’d hoped to be done with it by September 1, but again, I’ve fallen behind because of my schooling. Well, that does take precedence.
Now, this puts a major damper on Dr. Hagins conclusions. If his Serapis letter is a fraud, and I think I’ve found enough scholarly evidence of that, and if his major case for the Egyptian mythos being the true religion is shot down (and I think I took care of that today) and if I can establish ONCE AGAIN that Jesus Christ is a historical person…
…Then all of Dr. Hagin’s books, videos and seminars are worthless.
Tune in tomorrow.