Messianic Judaism Answered 38 – can some Christian explain…


 I saw a blog on WordPress where some Messianic asked plaintively, “Can some Christian explain why you would not do what God has commanded you to do?”

The article (which I can’t find now) was full of bad analogy, constantly bringing up a bad baby sitter who told him not to do what his father said. That’s irrelevant.

You stretched the argument far out of context. A sermon illustration is a window that lets in light. it is not the light.

Okay, here’s the answer. You brought up the Sabbath, listing 9 separate verses where Sabbath observance was enjoined.

All in the Old Testament. Where in the New Testament are Christians told to keep the Sabbath? All nine other commandments can be found in the New Testament, EXCEPT the Sabbath day.

What it comes down to is this, (and I know you’ve already stopped reading if the Lord brought you to this blog to read this…)

We are no longer under the law.

When you were born again, you died to the Law. You are no longer bound to it. I’ve explained that many times since May 1, in many different ways.

The commandments the Lord speaks of for Christians are very simple ones, but somewhat more stringent, in that we now understand that what we have in our hearts is what we are, and what we do.

What’s in your heart? Pride. Pride and superiority, thinking you’re better than Christians because you wrongly divided the word of God, and are forcing yourself to live under rules of “touch not, taste not”, under a law you’ve already died to… if you’re really saved.

Among all the verses you quoted, which ones were in the New Testament, for New Testament believers?

None.

The New Testament portrays the Sabbath differently, showing that it’s always talking about it as if it was something outside that required for the New Testament believer. We already know the Apostles taught you did not have to keep kosher, so let’s see where the hotly contested verse is…

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Colossians 2:16 (KJV)

I understand, taken out of context, this could either be about why you should keep the Sabbath and not let others convince you that you shouldn’t – or it could be agreeing with me. But a verse taken out of context is a pretext.

4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. 5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. Colossians 2:4-23 (KJV)

Now, that’s talking about why we’re not under the law, and “spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Hm, that sounds more like he’s saying – since the ordinances are blotted out – Paul is explaining again we are not under the law.

Now, there is no mention in the Bible of any man or men teaching that one must not keep the Sabbath or the laws. There is no mention whatsoever of that.

At the time Paul was writing this, the vast majority of Christians were Jewish, and had been keeping kosher, the High Holy Days and the Sabbath. So, false converts to Christianity would still be assuming since this is a Jewish thing, that one must still keep the law of Moses.

The “let no man therefore judge you”, taken in that light, makes much more sense talking about men coming to the new Christians, and arguing that they should be keeping the Sabbbath, and high holy days, and kosher.

These things were a shadow of things to come. The ordinances were blotted out in verse 14…. and Paul asks in verse 20 why they were subjecting themselves to ordinances that all were types and shadows, and perishing?

I should ask the same question. The New Testament describes over and over again that the law is near to vanishing, passing away, accomplished, finished, soon to be gone… so why are you, a New testament beliver, voluntarily binding yourself to the Sabbath and to the law – when those ordinances for your sake are gone? The purpose of the law was to lead you to Christ – that’s DONE if you’re really saved. If you’re asking these questions, it sounds like you don’t understand plain and simple verses in the Bible, a warning sign you are not yet saved…

I’d take care of that, and quickly. Right now.

Because no man can keep the law, and I’ve already demonstrated that most “Torah teachers” do not actually keep the Torah anyway! So by your own mouths, you condemn yourself!

So, here’s a challenge – study all the verses that explain what happens with the new birth. Study all the verses explaining what happens when we’re born again. It’s going to require reading almost the entire New Testament. And again, I’m going to ask you not use some translation that is deliberately mis-translated to show that you have to keep the Torah – get a regular Bible. If you are new to this blog, you’ll find I only recommend the King James Version.

You’ll see from Galatians we are not under the law, and that voluntarily keeping it leads to bondage to the entire law.

You’ll see from Hebrews a heavenly description of what happens when we’re born again. You’ll see from Romans a description of the new nature, a new birth. You’ll see from Ephesians a description of the Christian life.

Here’s my questions…

  • Why are there no verses in the New Testament that specifically say, “Ye must keep the Sabbath day”, as there are in the Old Testament?
  • Why are there no verses in the New Testament criticizing those who do not keep the Sabbath, as there is in the Old Testament?
  • why is Sabbath observance not mentioned in Rev. 22 as one of the conditions under which people are sent to Hell?
  • Why is the first day of the week mentioned over and over again in the New Testament, and not the Sabbath?

1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Matthew 28:1 (KJV)

2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. Mark 16:2 (KJV)

9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Mark 16:9 (KJV)

1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. Luke 24:1 (KJV)

1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. John 20:1 (KJV)

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. John 20:19 (KJV)

7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7 (KJV)

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2 (KJV)

That’s a pretty hefty list. The Lord rose from the dead, appeared to the disciples, Paul preached unto the disciples, and the Christians were told to put aside a collection on the first day of the week.

The last two are very important, as it shows that Christians were assembling on Sundays. The early churches were meeting already, in the book of Acts, on Sundays. So the messianic insistence that the divergence to a Sunday “Sabbath” from a Saturday “Sabbath” happened at the insistance of Constantine four centuries later is incorrect. The early churches were meeting on Sundays by at least 60 AD.

So my answer is right there, “Can any Christian explain why we don’t keep the Sabbath? Because the book of Acts often has examples for us to follow. We see that the early church met on Sundays. Another reason is, Paul commanded us to put aside a tithe for missionaries and church relief on Sundays – which makes a LOT of sense if we understand that we’ll be meeting on Sundays for Christian worship.”

Isn’t the Sabbath forever? Yes it is. Is Sunday the Sabbath? No it is not. What day of the week should we meet on? We’re told not to be answerable on the subject of the seventh day, but Scripture commands us to put aside a tithe on Sundays… so I’d suggest that Christians should meet on Sundays, and not Saturdays.

Should Christians keep the Sabbath? No, because the Sabbath was not commanded as a mandatory observance until the Law. The Law is no longer binding on Christians. We were subject to it (Rom. 9) but have now died to it. So, as a sign to unbelieving Israel, we meet on the first day of the week.

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Author: philipdean2013

Seminary graduate with a Ba. in Theology/Pastoral Studies, Happily married, Independent Baptist. I can't keep silent about what I see going on in Christianity any longer! Apostasy reigns around us, churches are sliding into worldiness, a whitewashed Gospel is preached everywhere... "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Jeremiah 6:16 (KJV) So, I'm speaking out. ...Why aren't you???

6 thoughts on “Messianic Judaism Answered 38 – can some Christian explain…”

  1. “Can some Christian explain why you would not do what God has commanded you to do?”

    This is why rightly dividing the King James Holy Bible is essential. God never commanded US to keep the law, He commanded the Jews to keep it. Everything Paul wrote is for the church, a new entity, distinct from Jew and Gentile (1 Corinthians 10:32, Ephesians 3:11-15) So why would we keep a program (that was abolished) for a completely different people?

    Good post!

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  2. Thank you for coming by and wrestling with what I wrote. Here are a few follow-on thoughts:

    You should have posted a pice I wrote a couple days later that sheds a good bit of light on Acts 20:7 and the related ‘mia ton sabbaton’ cites. http://natsab.com/2014/01/30/first-day-of-the-week-acts-207/

    Now to answer your questions: (I’ll take them one at a time.)

    “Why are there no verses in the New Testament that specifically say, “Ye must keep the Sabbath day”, as there are in the Old Testament?”

    There are many commandments in the ‘old testament’ that are not repeated in the ‘new.’ A vile example would be the law against beastiality. By your argument, since it is not mentioned in the ‘new’ then it is not of import… Does that mean we can pair off with sheep and goats? Just asking.

    “Why are there no verses in the New Testament criticizing those who do not keep the Sabbath, as there is in the Old Testament?”

    Just like the previous example, silence is not a very good position to argue from. The Tanak, and particularly the Torah, was settled law in the mind of every single author in the ‘new’ testament. Paul said, speaking of the Tanak, ‘All Scripture is inspired by god for… training in righteousness.’ Paul said, ‘Do we then nullify the Law? May it never be!! We establish the Law.’ and ‘so then, the Law is holy and the commandment is holy and just and good!’

    Why do they need to repeat everything. The Word of our God stands forever!

    “why is Sabbath observance not mentioned in Rev. 22 as one of the conditions under which people are sent to Hell?”

    I think you meant Revelation 20, but the argument is moot. Notice the word ‘works’ in vrs 12 & 13. That is euphemism for obedience to God’s instructions. But, since you mentioned Rev. 22, check out verses 14… ‘DO His commandments’ to ‘have the right to the Tree of Life.’

    “Why is the first day of the week mentioned over and over again in the New Testament, and not the Sabbath?”

    Uhm… My Bible has 60+ mentions of ‘Sabbath’ with only one after the book of Acts, and, as I demonstrated in the above linked post, the nine ‘first day of the week’ cites actually use the Greek word ‘sabbaton’ and NOT the Greek word for ‘first’ (proto) or ‘day’ (hemera) which Luke is fully aware of as he uses that phrase in Acts 20:18.

    Now, did Jesus come to start a new religion or to be the Messiah of Israel? According to Deuteronomy 18 He was to be ‘one like unto Moses.’ According to Deuteronomy 13, any prophet who led people away from the Torah was to be stoned.

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    1. We’ll take your last argument first.

      First, let me ask you this question…

      How much Greek have you studied? Was it a full year, in a seminary? Or was it mostly through looking through Strongs? I notice this because Mion Sabbaton in 1 Cor. 16:2, to which I referred, means “first (day) of the week”. Compare it to seven in Hebrew, Sheva, from which the word Shabbat is derived. Shabbat means “Seventh day. Shviyi is the word “Sevens (days)”, and is the Hebrew word for “week”. I have to assume from this that you either do not have a strong grasp of Koine Greek and Hebrew, or you’re doing “Strongs’ Exegesis”, or else you’re erecting a Straw Man argument, to quickly knock down.
      “Proto” is not there, because that’s a different usage of word, with a slightly different meaning. Yes, Hemera is not there… it is represented by the italic text, in your King James Bible. If you’d like to argue translation issues, then first you’d need to raise your level of knowledge of Greek, Hebrew and related languages to that of the King James Translators, who by far excelled the scholarly ability of anyone alive today.

      Next… which Greek text are you referring to as “the Greek”? Are you referring to Stephanus’s, or wescott-Hort, or Nestle-aland, or the UBS Greek text? If you’re just doing “strong’s Exegesis”, which I suspect you most definitely did, then it was Stephanuses, and I applaud that. But if you’re going to dive into the Greek, then please use a copy of the Textus Receptus Greek text – this way you can hopefully learn something about what you’re writing.

      “Your Bible” – which is that? you mentioned YOUR bible. I use the King James. Which translation are you referring to, since you made an issue of it?

      You completely dodged all of the questions. You never did answer why there is no specific command to meet on the Sabbath.
      You never did answer why Sabbath observance is not listed specifically as a reason unbelievers are sent to Hell.
      Why do they need to repeat anything? God saw fit to repeat 9 of 1o commandments in the New Testament – the Sabbath is not repeated. Why? Becuase we are NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW. Anyone teaching we are STILL under the law is a heretic and a false teacher.
      God then saw fit to repeat 9 of ten commandments, so that Christians would know how to live as believers.
      You were quick to raise the Bestiality Straw Man argument so you could knock that one down as well! Why does the Bible not repeat that one? Asked and answered -We are no longer under the law, having DIED to the Law. The Law was our schoolmaster, to bring us to Christ. Once you come to Christ, it is no longer needed. Indeed, if you are born again, you are DEAD to the Law.

      And I pray you DO come to know Christ. Because from what I’ve seen on your blog, I worry that may not be the case, especially the latest one about “if your Jesus doesn’t look Jewish, you’re worshipping a false Christ.” That post worried me a lot in that you’re on the path I describe to making distinctions between Jesus and “Yeshua”. That path eventually leads to a denial of Christ.

      Brother, i’ll pray for you. I beg of you, read your Bible, get to know Jesus Christ, and make sure of your salvation!

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      1. My Greek and Hebrew probably needs some work… My seminary degree only required two years of Greek and one of Hebrew. 😉

        I’ll skip the whole KJO worship.

        I assume you believe the Word is settled forever in heaven….

        Let’s just cut to the chase:

        Isaiah 66:16-17 says,

        Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
        Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

        Notice: This is future prophecy referring to the judgment by fire. It is on ALL flesh. For things like… eating swine and other abominable things.

        Follow that passage a little futher and you will see that all nations will come and see His glory… in Jerusalem and oh, you see it? Verse 23 and 24?

        Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
        Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

        There it is again: ‘all flesh’ will worship before Him ‘on the sabbath’ And, it appears that those who transgress are the ones whose ‘worm does not die.’

        Yeshua said, (Joh 7:16 ) “My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.”

        Pro 4:2 says, “For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my Torah.”

        Paul taught we are no longer under the CONDEMNATION of the Law, but he never said we are free from the Law. Rather, by faith we establish the Law.

        If you are going to pray for me, here is exactly how:

        Shalom and thank you!!

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      2. Okay, you completely repeated the argument, when I asked you to prove it from the NEW TESTAMENT! That should be a clue to you – you are not teaching “Messianic Judaism” you’re teaching Judaism, with a smattering of another Jesus.
        Everything you’re answering completely flies in the face of everything the New Testament teaches about the Sabbath, the new birth, salvation, and the Law. I repeat – we are not under the law! We have DIED TO THE LAW, if you are saved (I’m getting a little worried about you…)
        We are now under the spirit of freedom and liberty:
        ¶ Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
        2, Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
        3, For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
        4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
        5, For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
        6, For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
        7, Ye did run well; who did hinder you1 that ye should not obey the truth?
        8, This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
        We are not under the Law any longer. We are saved by grace through faith, Eph. 2:8-9.
        Brother, under the guidelines set forth in Scripture, I can’t debate you any longer on this.
        10, A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
        11, Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

        I will pray for you, and pray you can return to the Lord, or get saved, if you are not.
        Thanks for posting a link, but I think I know how to pray for a straying brother, or for a lost man.

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