Messianic Judaism Answered 10


11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Hebrews 7:11 (KJV)

The Scriptural argument against the Keeping of the Law (Shomer ha’Torah) is multiple.

There is the argument that the law is designed to bring us to Christ. That once we have been brought to Christ, we no longer need the law. (Galatians)

There is the argument that salvation is the gift of God and not of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9)

There is the argument that the law was until Christ. and Once Christ has come and accomplished His work of our redemption once and for all, there is no longer a need for it (Hebrews, Romans)

There is the argument that salvation was never of the Law anyway (Hebrews)

There is the argument that once Christ paid the penalty for us, he ended any need for reliance upon the law (Romans, Hebrews, Galatians)

There is the argument that the law was binding on us until we were born again. And having been born again, we are no longer bound to the law.

There is the argument that the law was NEVER binding upon the Gentiles, and anyone who is insisting that the Torah is for ALL men is attributing a meaning to the words that does not apply.

The Bible spends a GREAT DEAL of time dealing with our no longer having to keep the Law. Indeed, so much time, that the Messianic has to advance some Scriptures at the expense of others.

I’ll say this, one of the first books I spent a great deal of time with after I got saved was Galatians. The whole Torah Observance thing NEVER occurred to me, reading a good English translation. And I can think of no translation better than the King James.

It’s funny, when you come down to it, Messianic doctrines have to be proved with Messianic translations. That right there is prime cult territory! Show me in the King James where I’m under the law… go ahead.

“well, the King James was deliberately translated incorrectly…”

How do you know? Do you read and write Koine Greek fluently? Can you, a Messianic “Jew” (I say it that way because as I mentioned previously, the majority of Messianics are Gentiles) tell me exactly how many greek manuscripts there are? What the families of Greek manuscripts are composed of? How many families there are?

The average Independent Baptist and a few Southern Baptists can answer those questions. Can you?

Can you name ANY of the translators of the King James Bible and their qualifications?

If you can’t answer these questions, I’m telling you right now… you’re believing in something that can’t be proved. You’re believing in something you haven’t researched. In other words… you’re believing lies. You’ve been lied to and hoodwinked.

How do you KNOW the King James is mistranslated? Who told you? What makes you think so?

“It doesn’t line up with Messianic doctrine, that’s how!”

Ah, I see. You came up with your doctrines first, and only believe Bibles that are deliberately translated to line up with your false doctrine?

What makes you any different from a Jehovah’s Witness or a Mormon?

I’m telling you right now, I got a 97 in Greek in Seminary as a final grade, and 100 in Hebrew. I put the King James to the test, and chose verses at random to translate them. In EVERY case, my translation ended up saying the same as the King James! And not only that, the translators of the King James said it better than I did!

So, what does this do to your theory?

“Well, Romans 10:4 says…”

Ooh, quick to bring out that one. Is that because Stern’s commentary on the JNT refers to that one as a “for instance”?

Let’s look at it.

4For the goal at which the Torah aims is the Messiah, who offers righteousness to everyone who trusts. (Complete Jewish Bible) 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Romans 10:4 (KJV)

For starters, Stern’s tense is all wrong. The tense there is a completed tense (The law aimed), whereas Stern pictures it as an active tense (“the torah aims…”).

Next, there’s talk of Telos being “goal”. Yes, Strong’s does use that as a descriptive word. However, the King James consistently uses this as “End” or “finished.”

  • 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 10:22 (KJV)
  • 25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Matthew 17:25 (KJV)
  • 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Matthew 24:6 (KJV)
  • 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:13 (KJV)
  • 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14 (KJV)
  • 58 But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest’s palace, and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end. Matthew 26:58 (KJV)
  • 26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. Mark 3:26 (KJV)
  • 7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. Mark 13:7 (KJV)
  • 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:13 (KJV)
  • 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1:33 (KJV)
  • 5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. Luke 18:5 (KJV)
  • 9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. Luke 21:9 (KJV)
  • 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. Luke 22:37 (KJV)
  • 1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. John 13:1 (KJV)
  • 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. Romans 6:21 (KJV)
  • 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. Romans 6:22 (KJV)
  • 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Romans 10:4 (KJV)
  • 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. Romans 13:7 (KJV)
  • 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:8 (KJV)
  • 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1 Corinthians 10:11 (KJV)
  • 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:24 (KJV)
  • 13 For we write none other things unto you, than what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end; 2 Corinthians 1:13 (KJV)
  • 13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 2 Corinthians 3:13 (KJV)
  • 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:15 (KJV)
  • 19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) Philippians 3:19 (KJV)
  • 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. 1 Thessalonians 2:16 (KJV)
  • 5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 1 Timothy 1:5 (KJV)
  • 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Hebrews 3:6 (KJV)
  • 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; Hebrews 3:14 (KJV)
  • 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. Hebrews 6:8 (KJV)
  • 11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: Hebrews 6:11 (KJV)
  • 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Hebrews 7:3 (KJV)
  • 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. James 5:11 (KJV)
  • 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:9 (KJV)
  • 8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 1 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
  • 7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 1 Peter 4:7 (KJV)
  • 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17 (KJV)
  • 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 (KJV)
  • 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Revelation 2:26 (KJV)
  • 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Revelation 21:6 (KJV)
  • 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Revelation 22:13 (KJV)

How do we know what the usage of the word is? If you’ve been paying attention, by its context!

Now, if “Goal” is the ONLY correct translation of Telos, then… uhhhh…. some of the verses that Stern translated to say “end” is… wrong. It’s a classic case of exactly what Stern’s Critics say about him – that he deliberately chooses to translate a word one way in one verse, but another way when it suits his purpose.

1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 10:1-11 (KJV)

So, this is clearly a proof text of the Messianic – as long as you read it in Goble’s or Stern’s translation. But if you read it in the King James, suddenly it has a different meaning in context!

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Romans 10:6 (KJV)

you see the contrast, don’t you? The contrast is between the law and righteousness. Unbelieving Israel has not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God (vs. 2-3). For Christ is the end of the law (vs. 4) to everyone that believeth. The righteousness of the law is contrasted in vs. 5 with the righteousness of faith and grace in vs’s 6-8. Salvation is tied in to no longer needing the law in verses 9-11.

Everyone see that?

Incidentally, Stern adds “Offers” in his translation, where it is not in the greek (I just don’t see the word Prosphero προσφέρω in the Greek there, sorry). So Stern is also adding words to force the text to fit his version. The Bible has VERY poor things to say about such a practice.

More on this as we go along!

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Author: philipdean2013

Seminary graduate with a Ba. in Theology/Pastoral Studies, Happily married, Independent Baptist. I can't keep silent about what I see going on in Christianity any longer! Apostasy reigns around us, churches are sliding into worldiness, a whitewashed Gospel is preached everywhere... "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Jeremiah 6:16 (KJV) So, I'm speaking out. ...Why aren't you???

2 thoughts on “Messianic Judaism Answered 10”

  1. “THe average Independent Baptist and a few Southern Baptists can answer those questions. Can you?”

    Let’s see.

    ” Do you read and write Koine Greek fluently?”
    No

    ” tell me exactly how many greek manuscripts there are?”

    I think there are something like 5,300 extant Greek manuscripts all of which agree with the majority text upon which the King James Bible is built.

    ” What the families of Greek manuscripts are composed of?”

    fragments and uncials?

    “How many families there are?”

    Two, the Syrian text (good one) and the Alexandrian text (gnostic one). Hence the name “Alexandrian cultist”.

    “Can you name ANY of the translators of the King James Bible and their qualifications?”

    Dr John Boise: Reading and writing Hebrew and Greek from age six.
    Dr Lancelot Andrewes: Fluent in 22 languages.

    I cant remember the rest, they were busy writing lextionaries in Persian and tutoring the queen.

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