Mormonism Answered 11


Let’s get something out of the way I’m sure my Mormon readers are dreading.

Poilygamy.

Okay, bottom line, the LDS church at this time does not practice polygamy, nor do they endorse it. Some Mormons do, but the “church” of Latter Day Saints in Salt Lake City has spoken against the practice, and indeed routinely excommunicates any Mormon who openly practices it.

Did Joseph Smith practice and advocate it? Yes. Did Brigham Young do so? Yes – but only after being ordered to do so by Joseph Smith, and very reluctantly. Is polygamy wrong? Yes it is. And the LDS “church” routinely condemns it when anyone brings it up.

Are there other sects of mormonism which advocate it, and disagree with the LDS “church”? Yes. I am not dealing with those groups at this time. Let’s just say that everything I’ve discussed about Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon all apply to them as well.

So, there. We’re done with that topic.

Let’s get back to talking about doctrine.

There’s a lot of confusion in Mormonism about what they are. For starters, they believe that if they are sealed in a Temple ceremony, they will become gods themselves. Let me ask the parenthetical question at this time: Is Joseph Smith now a “god”? If it requires a Temple ceremony, and membership in good standing… how is he a “god”? The Temple was built long after Smith died.

That means there’s a lot of confusion in mormonism about what a god is, and WHO God is! I’ve dealt with that at length – if you missed it, go back a dozen or so posts and start reading from the beginning. I notice my Mormon reader who has undertaken to attempt to debate me has backed off from THAT issue!

And finally, what do Mormons consider themselves? It’s noted with some amusement by Jews worldwide that Mormons consider everyone who is not a Mormon to be a “Gentile”. I ask – does that mean they consider themselves to be Jews?

Yesterday, I quoted from 2 Nephi 29 that according to the Book of Mormon, God spoke to ALL nations as He spoke to the Jews.

The Bible, of course, says differently…

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:1-3 (KJV)

12 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth; 13 O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. 1 Chronicles 16:12-13 (KJV)

1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. Romans 3:1-2 (KJV)

11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle. Exodus 33:11 (KJV)

God committed unto Israel the delegated task of being a people set apart, a peculiar nation, separated unto God. Israel alone was spoken to in this manner. Israel alone was chosen.

Now, it is true God has spoken to every man that has ever lived, offering them salvation, and amazingly, refusing them.

But speaking to nations collectively as He did to the Jewish people, which is what 2 Nephi is implying is again contradicting the Bible. This again was why I listed all of the areas of theology one must study and need to know before one pastors.

Do I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet? Yes… a false one. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. I do see the signs in him of one who, if he’d been saved, could have become a mighty pastor for God, if he’d bothered to get some simple doctrinal training. Could he have done it on his own? Yes! Did he? No! For him to have turned, twisted and topsied the King James Bible so badly into thinking it meant something COMPLETELY contradictory to the plain sense meaning of Scripture is beyond me.

And of course, Smith somehow fell into the trap of many cults, the false belief that his new group somehow replaced Israel.

Whenever you believe your church or group replaces Israel, you have elevated yourself into the place of God, and are trying to supercede His writings and authority, as God makes it clear that the Jewish people remain the chosen ones for all perpetuity.

While many Calvinists in their arrogance claim themselves to be “israel” or “spiritual Jews”, Mormons take it another step forward, and actually claim to be Jews, to the point where they refer to Jews as Gentiles.

In this manner they again reveal the true source of their teachings, as Satan has long hated the Jewish people for their dedication to God. The Bible even states that God has not cast away the Jews, something which Calvinists often overlook – and apparently, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons as well.

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Romans 11:1-2 (KJV)

bottom line – God chose the Jewish people to be a peculiar people, a chosen people whom He is not done with, as we see in Revelation. The churches dissapear from the Bible, as the atttention of God returns to the Jewish People for the final act on this earth.

So, again, a cardinal doctrine of Mormonism is put aside as unBiblical.

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Author: philipdean2013

Seminary graduate with a Ba. in Theology/Pastoral Studies, Happily married, Independent Baptist. I can't keep silent about what I see going on in Christianity any longer! Apostasy reigns around us, churches are sliding into worldiness, a whitewashed Gospel is preached everywhere... "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Jeremiah 6:16 (KJV) So, I'm speaking out. ...Why aren't you???

2 thoughts on “Mormonism Answered 11”

  1. Most commonly the word Gentile, as used in the scriptures, refers to non-Israelite nations, or, more specifically, to the nations of Europe. In a very broad sense it is applied to all those who do not have the gospel, but that is not common. In Genesis the gentiles were the descendents of Japheth; in the rest of the Old Testament it referred to non-Israelite nations. In the New Testament it came to mean any non-Jew, so that those descended from Israel who were not of the Jewish nation were still referred to as Gentiles.
    In the modern day we speak of the Jews and the Gentiles as two separate groups. We are of the Gentiles nations. The saints can be either Jew or Gentile, depending on were they are coming from. I have never heard anyone in the church call the Jews gentiles.

    Now, if you think the LDS overlook the Jews you are mistaken. The Jews are the ancient covenant people and God has not forgotten them. The scriptures all teach this clearly; the Jews will be redeemed and in the Millennium God will establish two cities from which His Gospel will be preached – Jerusalem and Zion. We do not ignore the Jews or cast them out or hate them; we embrace them and seek to reclaim them.

    As to others writing scriptures, none of the verses you quote from the Bible say that this cannot happen. First off, you are using the terms Jew and Israel as synonyms and they aren’t. They Jews are those of the Lower Kingdom, while Israel is all that are descended from Jacob. Secondly, you are assuming that because the Jews had committed to them the Oracles that god could not commit the Oracles to others as well. But this is not what Paul has said.

    Nowhere in the Bible does it say that no one but a Jew can receive revelation from God and write it. In fact the Bible is very clear that others who were not Jews had revelation. No one who lived before the nation was divided was a Jew, and let look at how many of them had revelation and wrote scripture.

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    1. Several issues here…
      Number one, you say “I have never heard anyone in the church call the Jews gentiles”. That does not mean that it doesn’t happen. It may not be the common practice since 2000, but it still occured in the 1990’s. Indeed, Kurtzweil in his book on Jewish Geneology makes a wry comment about how startling it was to him to be referred to as a Gentile.

      “We are of the Gentiles nations.” I’m assuming you mean those in your Mormon “church”, as I am most assuredly not a Gentile. I am a Jew who believes in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour.

      “in the Millennium God will establish two cities from which His Gospel will be preached – Jerusalem and Zion”. Zion means Eretz Israel, the land of Israel. It is not a city.

      “. First off, you are using the terms Jew and Israel as synonyms and they aren’t.” Um… yes, they are. Paul uses the word Israel and Jew synonymously in Romans. It had different meanings in Hebrew ONLY during the divided kingdom… after the time of Esther, the name became synonymous. Paul does tie in his writings in Hebrews where he discusses salvation and faith with his statement “not all Israel are Israel”, which shows that Gentiles who believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible are ingrafted by faith INTO the tree of Israel.

      “They Jews are those of the Lower Kingdom, while Israel is all that are descended from Jacob. ” Again, see Esther, and the New Testament. Paul describes himself as being both a Jew and of the tribe of Benjamin. Again, the differentiation applied ONLY during the divided kingdom, and was used interchangeably throughout the New Testament.

      “Nowhere in the Bible does it say that no one but a Jew can receive revelation from God and write it. ” This is a straw man argument. The Canon of the Bible was sealed in 95 AD, and that’s already been established. You’re hoping by getting a concession out of me on this point that I’ll somehow be tricked into agreeing the Book of Mormon is scripture, which it is not.

      Brother, I’m praying for you that you leave this cult you’re in and embrace the Jesus Christ of the Bible, not the other Jesus you’ve been presented with by Joseph Smith. John 14:6 makes it clear that you can be saved by the Jesus of the Bible alone, and in John 3:3 it says “ye must be born again.” I’m praying for you!

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