13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:13-15 (KJV)
As you can see, God will not ever command mankind to do that which is sin.
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Deuteronomy 18:10 (KJV)
14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do. Deuteronomy 18:14 (KJV)
6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. 2 Chronicles 33:6 (KJV)
The issue here is… Joseph Smith did two things to find and translate the plates that are forbidden in Scripture. The seeing stone was divination, sorcery.
26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times. Leviticus 19:26 (KJV)
To use the seer stone to translate the Golden Plates (why is this never shown in official LDS artwork?) was forbidden by Scripture.
That leaves the LDS with a huge problem, because Joseph Smith didn’t know any Reformed Egyptian, and had never studied it. Not to mention he couldn’t study it, so no failure on his part, as nobody on earth knows it, and is qualified to teach it – as it is a non-existant language.
Before I return to the issue of using sorcery, which is forbidden by God, When did Reformed Egyptian “come to pass”? The ancient kingdoms of Egypt spoke Egyptian. When the two houses united, they spoke Egyptian. When the lower kingdoms existed, they spoke Egyptian. It actually continued until they switched to speaking Arabic after the fall of Egypt. Forgive me please for not citing dates, as I don’t have my timelines of the middle east on this computer.
So if Reformed Egyptian came to pass, it would have had to come when the Israelites came across the oceans to America, as explained in the Book of Mormon.
Except they wouldn’t have spoken Egyptian. They would have spoken Hebrew, and would have written in the Paleoglyphic lettering, and not the Square script Canaanean lettering we use today for Hebrew.
These were Jews, not Egyptians. And it’s the funniest thing, but since the giving of the Law at Mt. Sinai (well, ever since Abraham, actually) the Jews have spoken Hebrew. Before that, the Gentile ancestors of Abraham going back to Shem, up through Noah to Adam all spoke Hebrew. So, Jews have been speaking the original language ever since the creation of Man in the garden.
Yes, I know, European Jews ceased to use Hebrew as a conversational language for centuries. But when they prayed – it was Hebrew. When they read from the Torah, it was Hebrew. They still possessed Hebrew. And the time of Jews creating Ladino and Yiddish for everyday language was actually only about a thousand years ago. Before that was Aramaic, which only really happened around the Second Temple period.
So, if Jews had left Israel in the time mentioned in the Book of Mormon and came to America, they would have simply dropped any Canaanean languages they’d learned, because well… there were no Canaaneans around! They would have continued to write, speak and teach Hebrew.
So, Joseph Smith was quite simply using a forbidden method to translate a non existant language – whether seer stone or special “Urim-thummin spectacles” – to translate plates whose very existence is questionable, and not in the manner in which you’re shown in dramas, videos and movies.
And since they’re about Native American tribes, why Reformed Egyptian, and not Navajo, or Cherokee, or any of the Seneca languages?
those copies of “reformed” egyptian show mostly inverted English letters, mixed with some Greek and one or two Hebrew letters. Now, how did Roman characters and Greek get mixed in to writings done in 660 BC? These languages and alphabets would not exist in those forms for several centuries!
My Mormon friend, it’s time to start asking questions. Have you been lied to? I’m telling you, yes – you’ve been lied to.
Smith had to claim they were written in another language, so he thought quickly and called it Egyptian. Next, he had to make it more exotic, and specify it was some kind of Egyptian nobody had heard of, to prevent anyone from insisting he take the plates to a Museum. That would mean he’d have to produce them. And since the eyewitnesses of these plates claim to have seen them with a spiritual eye (in other words, imagination), that means we actually don’t have eyewitnesses who literally saw and physically examined them.
So, the LDS claim to “Another Gospel of Jesus Christ” actually has begun to fall apart quickly, and we’ve barely begun examining Mormonism!
- We have no eyewitnesses who saw the plates with thier own eyes, but rather, claim to have “seen them with spiritual eyes”… in other words, imagined it.
- They are written in a non-existant language
- A forbidden method was used to translate them
- Joseph Smith did not know any Egyptian, but rather, knew English (and fairly well by today’s standards – his grammar was better than most High School graduates today, although it was considered average to poor by the standards of the 19th century)
- The plates should have been written in Hebrew
- The plates were never taken to an expert in Egyptology or Semitic Languages to confirm Smith’s discovery
- The Angel Moroni could not have been an Angel, as human beings do not ever become Angels.
- And why was Moroni not a god, in line with Mormon doctrine?
If Smith used a Satanic Method to find the plates, and a Satanic method to translate them, and refused to show them to people in violation of the Biblical commands to “shout it from the rooftops” and ” …be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15 KJV)…
Why did not the Angel Moroni immediately retrieve the plates, with a stern admonition? I would think that using Satanic methods would have angered God greatly!
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:15-20 (KJV)