Points so far:
- The tribulation has a number of functions: the pouring out of God’s wrath, the returning of God’s focus from the Gentile churches back to the Jews, the return of Christ as King, and the final defeat and punishment of Satan and the fallen angels
- God has never punished believers along with the wicked, but always taken the believers out of the picture before pouring out His wrath.
- the only exception was the Jews in Egypt during the ten plagues, and as a whole, the Jewish people were not saved until the last judgment, death of the firstborn, when the blood was applied to the doorposts.
- All the prophecies to Israel must still be fulfilled.
- Preterism is unBiblical
- “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” Mark 13:32 (KJV) If the Rapture occurs at any time except for before the Tribulation, then we pretty much would know the day and hour.
- Dispensationalism shows that God dealt with the Jewish people for 2,000 years and right now is dealing with the Gentiles in the Christian age of Grce.
- Matthew 24 is speaking to a Jewish audience, which is proved by the use of the words “The temple”, “The elect”, and “Sabbath day”
- Gentiles do not keep the Sabbath. Jews do.
- “The gathering from the four corners of heaven” is the return of Christ.
- The last few verses of Matthew 24 ARE referring to the rapture. So, then if there is pictured a “Gathering from the four corners of heaven” in Matthew 24, it stands to reason the Bible is teaching they all were previously brought to heaven.
- The book of Revelation should be read literally until the Bible specifically tells you not to.
- Belief in the Pre-trib rapture is often a litmus test for how doctrinally correct you are. wavering in that doctrinal stand is a hint there may be other areas of doctrinal error creeping in.
- Departure from a correct understanding of a single Biblical doctrine usually is quickly followed by others, until one is an apostate.
- Amillennialism is a denial of the literal words of the Bible.
- the method of calculcatin the number of the Beast is called Gematria, but it should really be avoided as it can lead to divining and witchcraft, which are forbidden in the Bible.
John Walvoord raised a very good point. “Only pre-trubulationalism makes a distinction between Israel and (the churches).” Walvoord actually said “The church”, but as I’ve stated before, as the Scriptures make a differentiation between the churches, so too should we.
Walvoord is right. To see the churches in the tribulation is to confuse Israel and the churches. If doctrinally you recognize a difference between the churches and Israel, then the only way to reconcile this Biblicaly is to believe in a pre-trib rapture.
Which is why it makes NO sense when so many Fundamentalists describe pre-tribulationalism as heresy!
When we define our doctrinal stands, we need to define them as a whole. You cannot take a position there is a difference between the churches and Israel – and then turn right around and read Revelation mentioning the Jews and Israel in the middle of the Tribulation and think… “Why, that’s the churches!!!”
There are a vast number of differences between the Rapture and the second coming. These have been repeated ad nauseum, and yet we repeat them again, because mid trib and post trib adherents still haven’t answered these objections. Why? Because they CAN’T.
The Second coming is 7 years after the signing of the peace accord that starts the tribulation. The Rapture on the other hand we are warned, “No man knoweth the day nor the hour.”
The Rapture the Lord comes for his saints. The second coming he comes with his saints.
The Rapture the Lord does not set His feet on the earth, but rather catches us up into the clouds. The second coming the Lord places His feet on the Mount of Olives, which will split in two.
The dead are mentioned in conjunction with the Rapture. There is no mention of the ressurection of the dead at the second coming.
The Rapture is the deliverance from the day of wrath, which Christians are not appointed to. The Second Coming is the deliverance of the saints who came to believe DURING the tribulation. Which means if we have to go through the tribulation, all those who believed prior to the tribulation either died or apostated during the tribulation. Can you show me where the Bible says this will happen? You can’t because the Bible makes no mention of those who believed prior to the Tribulation – only a great cloud of witnesses appearing as a result of the efforts of the 144,000. And many of those are martyred for their faith.
These are points none of the mid-trib, pre-wrath and post-trib adherents can answer. Although I’m sure someone will leave a comment, saying, “In Matthew 24, it says…” before you do that, best read all the articles in this series. I already dealt with Matthew 24 at length.
A last point is one that many have repeated, and in all the post trib and mid trib writings always gets ignored. We are told to comfort one another with the promise of the Rapture (18 “Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” 1 Thessalonians 4:18 (KJV)). If we have to go through any portion of God’s wrath, how is that comforting?
The bottom line approach of all Christians in the Tribulation is going to be one of, “It’s our fault we missed the Rapture. We refused to take the gospel seriously, and now we’re stuck.” It will be for millions, a death sentence. How can we comfort one another with these words if we’re going to suffer and die at the hands of the wrath of God, or the wrath of men who’ve suffered the wrath of God?
the Pre-wrath Rapture of Marv Rosenthal fails to explain this. Because it can’t. It refutes his theory, along with all the other scriptural proofs we’ve presented.
Who do you believe, men or God? God says you are not appointed to wrath, you will be taken from the earth, you will be caught up to meet Christ in the clouds, and so shall ever be with the Lord.
Men say we are no different from other Christians who’ve suffered affliction, this confusing tribulation with the Great Tribulation. I’ve already dealt with that as well.
Who will you believe, God – or men? Literally, this is what this issue boils down to.