We have examined and answered so far:
- Not everyone who is not Calvinist is Armenian
- There is a difference between Baptist and Armenian
- The TULIP theology actually contradicts Scripture
- Total Depravity actually teaches Total Inability
- Total Inability is the key teaching of Calvinism – if Total Inability is removed, the entire Calvinism doctrine falls apart immediately.
- Calvinism really is Augustinianism
- There’s not a whole lot of difference between Calvinism and some Roman Catholic doctrines
- The historic understanding of Salvation as expressed by the Early Church “Fathers” does not match Calvinism’s undertsanding
- A person reading the Bible literally through for years without having been taught Calvinism would not arrive at an understanding of TULIP theology, thus raising grave doubts as to any claims of it being “Biblical”.
- Total Inability is based upon Biblical half truths.
- There are few Calvinist proof texts, and they are cited against the majority of Bible verses that prove otherwise, or consist of verses taken out of context and forced to appear as if they support Calvinism
- The Bible clearly teaches “whosoever will…” many times.
- The Calvinist ignores Biblical texts in favor of his dogma, thus Calvinism actually champions tradition and logic above the Bible
- The supposed logical arguments of the Calvinist are flawed right from the beginning
- The Calvinist accepts the verses that state “Whosoever will not” as supporting damnation for anyone who rejects Christ, but refuses to accept the verses that state “Whosoever will” as supporting salvation for anyone who accepts Christ
- Calvinism does not give you any assurance you’re one of the elect
- Calvinism cannot be learned purely from reading the Bible – it has to be taught.
- Most who believe in Calvinism misunderstood what predestination was, and grasped onto Calvinism once they heard it.
- The Bible describes the Gospel as simple, but Calvinism is extremely complicated – and therefore cannot be the Gospel
- Unconditional Election cannot be found in the Bible
- The Bible uses conditional language to describe the decision to be saved, which refutes Unconditional Election
- The Bible also continually uses “Whoever…” “whosoever…” and “if any…” when discussing whether someone gets saved or not.
- The “Church” does not replace Israel
- God is not “Through with the Jew”
- Calvinism dates back to the 15th Century, and borrows heavily from Roman Catholic Doctrine created by Augustine
- Calvinists teach “Christ died only for the elect.”
- The Bible teaches that the “Elect” is Israel.
- If Calvinism is correct, then only the Jews are saved
As you can see, there’s major problems with Calvinism, and we’re only on the seventh post.
I’ve noticed a progression. The first false religion I answered took 31 posts. The next took less. Atheism took even less. Calvinism will be done in two weeks. By the time I get to Mormonism, it should take maybe 20 minutes and half a post, at this rate!
let’s return to a point I glossed over, because I wanted to deal with it more fully. Since most Calvinists rely upon logic more than the Bible, I’m going to attack this subject in both ways.
How are you predestined?
The immediate assumption is that God looks at all of us and says, “I choose Philip Dean.” Like we’re trying to make up a sandlot football time, and they need a halfback. “Let’s see… Philip.”
Okay, you’re predestined.
But most Calvinists stop and think about it more, trying to really understand. Did God just pick my name, or me… It becomes an interesting thought. Think about this before you read on for a bit, because you’re getting closer to the truth… and about to take a massive step out of Calvinism.
If you stepped onto this rock of wondering, “Why was Philip pre-destined?”, then you immediately have to consider two things. Either we all pre-existed as souls (That’s a Jewish teaching, that all souls were created at the moment of creation, and are kept in a mystical nursury until the time for our birth nears – it’s in the Talmud, really)… or there’s something else.
Why would God choose Philip? Everyone but a hyper-calvinist would agree I must be chosen, pre-destined… because otherwise I would have NO INTEREST in the things of God according to Calvinist theology, right? Only a Hyper-Calvinist would arrogantly claim, “You’re not pre-destined, because you’re not a Calvinist or attending a Calvinist church.”
So, either we pre-exist… and there’s nothing in the Bible to support that…
…Or God looked ahead into the future, and saw that I would eventually repent, acknowledge my sinful condition and need for a Saviour… and would call upon the name of the Lord for salvation. And seeing that, He chose me – because I’d stepped into a spot or “office” reserved for those that are saved.
Did you think that? Did your logical musings take that step?
If you did, you just stepped right off the Calvinism perch, and put both feet on the Baptist Doctrinal platform. That’s what Baptists believe. We’re saved by Grace, and predestined according to foreknowledge.
The Baptist position is that Philip Dean is not pre-destined – the condition or “Office” (can’t think of a better word for it – I heard that once and it was so correctly stated it answered everything) of Christian, Saved person, was pre-destined. I, Philip Dean, then was elected into that position, state, office once I became born again.
Otherwise you have a logical monstrosity, a complete injustice – in which the LORD God demands people repent who cannot according to the way He designed them. It is like shooting a dog who cannot support two adults riding on his back for several hours. “Why’d you shoot him?” “I commanded him to be a Horse.” “He can’t, he’s a dog.” “Oh, well.”
Think that through – if man is so utterly depraved he cannot understand or respond to the Gospel, and God commands people to repent, but he’s already chosen the finite number who make up the elect (and because Calvinism chooses a term the Bible means for something else, then according to Calvinism only Jews can be saved)…then nobody can be saved who is not already saved. God is commanding men to repent that He designed not to repent. And will punish them forever because they could not do what He did not make them do.
Back when I was still unSaved and in the world, one of my favorite actors was Patrick McGoohan, star of the bizarre TV show The Prisoner. McGoohan was a Christian, and by his own admission encoded many Christian elements in the Prisoner. I really haven’t spotted them, except for the “Be seeing you” handsign which was the forming of the greek letter omicron over one eye, and miving the hand towards the person greeted. Supposedly this was the “omicron toss” – or Christos. It was a way for Christians in public places to acknowledge one another, according to Mcgoohan.
Anyway, McGoohan in one interview showed a Calvinist understanding of the will, when in response to a question about the will of his character Number Six, he answered, “There is no such thing as free will.”
I’m wondering if I’m even going to be allowed to ask Mcgoohan questions about his TV show when we meet in heaven. Probably not! It’s, well, to use the Yiddish phrase, “Narishkeit” – waste of time. Things of the world have no place in heaven.
Getting back to my point, again, I make the charge against the Calvinist they proclaim an unfair and very abusive God, who sovereignly elects some to salvation and most others to eternal hellfire. The Bible shows a much different God, a merciful God who delays vengeance upon humans for thousands of years, before finally acting.
If I were God, you’d get only so long, before I wiped you out! You’d get maybe 10,000 times to sin before I dropped you physically into Hell. Salvation would be conditional. Buddy, you’d BETTER start praying and acting Christian, or you’re THROUGH!!!
It’s a REALLY good thing I’m not God. Our God is so much more patient, loving, merciful than I am. We can sin literally millions of times, and then He turns and RUNS to us as we begin the repentance towards Him.
It becomes clear to me that Calvinism really is portraying a different God, a different Jesus than that of the Bible.
The key is this.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Romans 8:29 (KJV)
Notice the progression (this is one thing being King James Only gives you a talent for – learning to pay close attention to the wording of Bible passages)L
First God foreknew… then He predestined. Can I find that in another Bible passage?
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 1 Peter 1:1-2 (KJV)
“According to the foreknowledge…”
So Biblically we see that God did not just look at me, wandering around in the Jewish Guf (the playpen of pre existant souls), and say, “I choose Philip.” God did not persnoally put His hand on my shoulder and say,m “I like Philip. I will save Him.”
Rather, it was that God saw I would repent, and accept the free gift of Salvation… and had already made the condition or office of Christian, and elected me into that. “You are one of the saved.” And when that moment occurred, I was washed in the blood of the Lamb. It was no surprise to God. He’d been expecting it, and when it happened, He was ready, and overjoyed that I’d repented.
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Ephesians 1:5 (KJV)
However, Calvinism also teaches a bizarre twist to it. That is, I must be saved before I can repent and be born again. See this entry from Easton’s Bible Dictionary:
Faith and repentance and all other graces are the exercises of a regenerated soul; and regeneration is God’s work, a “new creature.” Matthew George Easton, “Election of Grace,” in Illustrated Bible Dictionary: And Treasury of Biblical History, Biography, Geography, Doctrine, and Literature, (London: T. Nelson and Sons, 1897), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 226.
That cannot be found in the Bible. It shows how off Calvinism is from the Bible. Logical musings lead one inevitably to this conclusion, but it stands on its head everything the Bible says about Salvation.
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Ephesians 1:11 (KJV)
THis verse seems to support Calvinism. What is that which calls us? The Soveriegn call of God?
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 (KJV)
Ah, it is the Gospel which calls us! The Lord Jesus Christ extends the Gospel out to us, and we must respond! Again, Macarthur-ites have no problem with this concept, as this is what Macarthur teaches.
Bottom line – we are Predestinated according to Foreknowledge. Just like the Baptists have been teaching for 20 centuries.
I should mention at this point John Calvin used to torture and murder Baptists, because they rightly disagreed with him. And if this were Calvin’s day, he would be preparing to have me dragged through the streets behind a horse, then flogged… then tied to a stake and burnt alive.
Is this the behaviour of a saved Christian? to torture and murder those who disagree with them? Or rather, isn’t it the fruit of an unsaved man? According to Calvinism… John Calvin clearly cannot be one of the Elect.
Think about that.