The Home Church Movement

This rant is not so much aimed at the errors of the Home Church movement in general (well, it is) but also aimed at a website where I found the Commandments of the New Testament listed.

That was good. I was pleased to find those. But there seemed to be a fundamental error in the website (maybe three or four!). We’ll start with the obvious ones.

“A number of years ago God warned me in a dream that we needed to leave the Godly conservative church that we were members of and that if we stayed the cost would be greater than what we were willing to pay in losing some of our children spiritually.”

Did he test the spirits? I downplay dreams and messages automatically, because I’ve had people say to me, “I saw this happen in a dream…” and nothing happens. You know, sometimes a dream is a dream.

If he had written, “I felt led to leave my church because a number of problems were bothering me…” or even, “I’d been reading the Bible and I felt that my church was violating too many precepts…”, I’d give this more credence. I can remember meeting a man who’d been warned in a dream to quit his job, sell his house, and travel the country in his mobile home with his wife and two kids so he could spread his dire word that the Rapture would start in 2006. I later warned his wife that her husband was possibly mentally unstable. She had long ago realized it.

Or someone else I talked to who had sold his home and business to go hide far from civilization in 1999 for fear of the riots in the Y2K bug. Well… That never happened. Again, I wonder if it was mental instability to blame for it.

Sometimes dreams are just dreams. That’s a good thing. Or I’d be endlessly worried about all kinds of things!

If you are worried about your church being unable to save your children, guess what? They can’t. You Can’t. You and your church can only present a Biblical Gospel message (I say Biblical, because certainly there are many unBiblical ones…), and your children must choose to follow it, or not. Your Children must choose to repent and accept Jesus Christ. And GUESS WHAT? The odds are that they PROBABLY WON’T!

This is going to be harsh. But sometimes people need harsh.

So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. Matt 20:16 (KJV)

Not everyone who hears the Gospel will accept it. Sadly for a lot of Child converts, most “accept” Jesus because they want to please an adult. And they profess Jesus without possessing Jesus, never having been born again and never having repented.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt 7:13-14 (KJV)

By taking away the presence of other Godly families and creating a Home Church, he has

Put himself into a position he was never called nor trained for (Pastor) – and made himself accountable at the Judgment seat of Christ as a Pastor when he was never gifted. called or trained for

  1. Advocated others to do the same, bypassing God’s plan for the Church as a divine local institution and in many ways shown a rebelliousness by doing so and
  2. Kept the watchful oversight of the pastors and the deacons of the church from helping to offer the Gospel. And believe you me, statistics have shown that the average person needs the Gospel message presented to them at least five to seven times before they accept Christ.

How often will they hear an altar call at your house? They won’t. And if you cram it down their throats, as soon as they’re 18 they’ll run. If they’d been at a church, they’d have heard the Gospel presented every week. The urgency for it. The horrors of Hell.

Statistics show that fewer than 2% of mankind truly repent and are born again. That’s “Few” statistically. And this man somehow never put it all together how that would be the Church’s fault. It betrays a cultish thinking he’s been trained in somehow in the past: “Being in this church will get you saved.” Nope. It won’t. Only Jesus Christ can save you.

So far, he’s shown a lack of real understanding in the sign gifts being finished, a lack of understanding of salvation, a lack of knowledge of true doctrine, and since he further confuses sanctification with salvation, I completely understand his fear for his children. Right now, I’m afraid for them too! And for him as well.

The Local Church is God’s plan for the redeemed. One is not to deny the right of assemblage with other believers. And the fruit of that rebellion is showing itself now, by his emphasis on works to keep your salvation. Unless he gets a good understanding of what Salvation is, Not only his children, but very probably he and his wife will awake in Hell after death, and know that the Lake of Fire awaits them for all eternity. Because you cannot make these kinds of mistakes and possibly be saved.

Getting back to the home Church movement briefly, let me close with this thought. If the Local Church is God’s plan for his called out assembly, then it by implication must be the most important place on the earth. And you are in rebellion against God by rejecting His plan.

The Millennial Temple in Jerusalem will be a place of worship for all believers. How do you reconcile the Temple as a type for the church… and your local family church?

You say there’s no Biblical example of the Church in the New Testament. I worry that you’re saved. How else can you be reading the same Bible I do… and not understand it? Because I don’t know, I can see over 90 examples of Churches in the New Testament. And how you can plainly read that several thousand believed and were baptized in one day… and somehow imagine them all meeting in a home… What about the Jerusalem church meeting in Solomon’s Portico??? That seems pretty clear cut that A). There was a lot of them and B). They obviously weren’t meeting in a home. Sounds like a church to me!

A lot of the confusion is about the “breaking bread from house to house.” Seriously, I think a course in Jewish custom should be required for any would-be pastor. This way they could learn about the Shabbos Seudah tradition.

And what about the divisions in the church body, and the man in Corinth sleeping with his father’s woman? Are you telling me this was a home church? Just a family? I don’t think so.

No Pastors except the father? How do you account for Timothy and Titus being pastors to a flock?

Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 1 Tim 4:12 (KJV)

this would make no sense if he was the father. Think on this.

The churches may have met for a time in peoples homes. But this was because they were so new they didn’t have any need for their own buildings yet. The Jerusalem church met at the Temple until its destruction in AD 70. And in many places, the only concept of a special building for worship was a Temple. It probably took a while for them to invent the concept of, “We could have our own buildings, like a Beit Ha’Knesset (Synagogue)”

That would have made things easier.

I see no problems with churches getting started in houses. But eventually, with every Christian in America owning their own cars, the need arises for everyone to park that car. And suddenly with zoning laws and angry neighbors, you end up needing a church building. “We could have our own buildings, like a Beit Ha’Knesset (Synagogue)”.

Yes, I’d love a home like some of the million dollar homes in Colorado, with the breathtaking views, and the seven thousand square feet nestled among the pine trees and rocks. But in reality, and like a lot of Pastoral Candidates, that’s out of my reach. Renting a 900 square foot home is all I can afford. (Besides, wouldn’t living in such a huge, empty home make you depressed and lonely?)

There’s so much wrong with the concept of the Home Church movement, and especially all the doctrinal problems I see with this website, that I don’t have all day to address it.

That’s for future rants.



One of the thoughts I’ve long had is – how long does it take for a church begin to slide into apostasy, and how do they do it? Between three and fifty years.

There’s really no way to say. Lee Robertson’s Church, for example, had one small deviation, from what I’ve read. Pastor Robertson wanted to stay away from controversy. He refused to criticize publicly any Pastor, Bishop, Reverend, etc.

He played the safe road. However, when aiming a gun at a target, if you’re only a fraction of an inch off at the front sight… over 25 yards you miss the target. The issues of his church going apostate was inevitable. By not warning about teachers who denied fundamentals, he left his church unable to tell who was a wolf, and whom a pastor. They were defenseless.

It took years, but from his decision to never criticize, he made it inevitable. In fact, men came in while he was there who made decisions and changes that led to the church’s sorry state.

Marc Monte is a good, fundamental, Narrow is The Way (NITW) King James Only (KJO) Pastor. He warns his congregations about false teachings, but rarely names names. It will take his church much longer than Lee Robertson, but unless he begins to openly say names, it is inevitable. His congregation is aware of bad teachers, but unable to identify them So, as a result, they’ll listen to any Bible teacher with strong teachings and strong convictions. Rick Warren has strong convictions, almost all of which are wrong. R. C. Sproul has strong teachings and strong convictions, and they too are completely wrong. Paul Washer, the same thing. How will his church know who to avoid? All Pastor Monte has to do to avoid this is – go ahead and let them know who he’s talking about!

On the other hand, lets look at a different example. The average Southern Baptist church boasts a membership whose age is averaging in the 50’s-60’s. There are pastors who have the very real fear of performing the funeral of the very last member of their church, and then going and locking the doors forever.

So when Wolves come along, like Rick Warren, who have a guaranteed plan of boosting attendance, many of these Pastors grab on to it desperately. They have no idea there is another way. Start moving your church to a Fundamental, Narrow is the Way, King James Only church.

You do admittedly lose a LOT of people this way. Being a Christian is like swimming upstream. Most Christians sadly are not educated as to the evils of wrong Bible translations, worldly living, worldly dress, worldly churches. Instead, they think, “why, this is just like the World I just left!” and they’re happy. Few are reading their Bibles enough to notice a pattern of “come out of the world and be ye separate, and touch not the unclean thing.”

But the Fundamental NITW KJO Baptist church has a specific group that attends. They are hungry for the word of God, ready and willing to do what God says is acceptable, ready to accept any mission you ask of them. You know, saved people/alas, so many of them are open to cultism, because so many cults are wrapping their deceptive poison teachings in the shiny wrapper that is KJO or NITW.

So, you have to educate. I sometimes think of the Christian walk as being more trying to maintain footing as you cross a rushing stream. the water tries to tug you off step. The devil will do anything in his power to get you offstep. If you’re off balance, you’re easier to fight. The devil dislikes trying a head on, touch gloves ring the bell fight. He’d rather weaken you first.

If you can educate a FKJO congregation to beware of cults, errors and traps, you’ve got a rewarding church. Now the issue remains is you’ve got a small congregation, and oddly enough, mostly young people. I think the younger generation sees the hypocrisy of the Purpose Driven movement.

that’s pretty much the rule, not the exception. There are some Fundamental KJO churches with large congregations. A lot of that comes from the “rotating of the saints”, stealing church members from other congregations. There’s good and bad in that. Good, if you’re getting people from apostate churches, and churches that are sliding into apostasy.

Bad, if you’re getting them from other Fundamental KJO churches – that’s bad. I recommend you not allow that. Someone can visit from another Fundamental church as a friendly “welcome to the neighborhood” approach. If they come back, some experts recommend you call that church and let the pastor know. This lets him know you’re not trying to poach off members.

The pastor willing to take this route has the comfort of knowing he’s doing the Lord’s will. As more and more people walk willingly into the “falling away” of Thessalonians, you’ll see Bible Believing churches get smaller and smaller before they disappear. The Pastor who tries to set up a salary with his church may possibly see the church unable to meet it.

Pastors may have to change their focus from “living from the Gospel” to sadly, “augmenting your living from the Gospel”.

Before we slide too much further past that, the Lord will most undoubtedly have Raptured the Church.

Protective Order

On Facebook there’s a group called “church brothers and sisters”, which is composed of members of several churches – Calvary Chapel, United Methodist, Southern Baptist, Presbyterians.

This is Ecumenism. Ecumenism is expressedly forbidden in Scripture in the doctrine of what we call Separation. The doctrine of separation was put in place by the Lord in what amounts to a protectiion order – heresy is catching. What we overlook today in another denomination, tomorrow we condone, and the day after we practice ourselves. this is taught in 2 Timothy 2:16

But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 2 Tim 2:16 (KJV)

likewise, we are commanded to teach no other doctrine.

Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. 3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thois taught inu mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 1 Tim 1:2-4 (KJV)

We are to continue in the doctrine as passed down from the Apostles.

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16 (KJV)

We are not to deviate from that doctrine even the tiniest amount!

But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1 Tim 6:11-14 (KJV)

The Bible says, “without spot.” As David Cloud often says, a spot is a tiny thing! Look at your shirt after lunch – that small spot of food… we are not to allow even that much deviation from the doctrine passed down from the Apostles, which they learned from the Lord!

Is this a major issue? Yes. Separation can be found in almost every book of the New Testament, and is present in much of the Old Testament as well. Separation is the other side of the coin of Church discipline, the temporary removal of errant Church Members.

Calvary Chapel is very good about doctrine. They believe in believer’s baptism, and salvation through faith alone. They also believe in being born again, so it’s probable that the majority of the members of its churches are born again.

However, they also believe in the sign gifts, something the Bible clearly states would pass when “that which is perfect is come”, namely, the finishing of the New Testament canon and the completion of the Bible, the book which is the perfect revealed will of God.

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 1 Cor 13:8-12 (KJV)

The Bible commands us to separate from them, as they have allowed error into their teaching by advocating the sign gifts after the Bible tells us that prophecies would fail, tongues would cease and that words of knowledge would vanish away after the Bible was completed. To follow the sign gifts is to place your own experiences and feelings above God’s. Otherwise, the teaching will creep into the church. And Southern Baptists will eventually be rolling on the floor barking and chanting in tongues. Those that aren’t already.

United Methodists are somewhat worse. Being Armenians, they at least believe you must be born again. But they advocate Baptism and the Lord’s Supper as a “means of added grace.” Thats works based salvation. We are commanded to separate from that.

Presbyterians are worse in their doctrine, advocating Calvinism – a Roman Catholic doctrine. They believe that they are automatically saved if they are called to attend a Calvinist Church, because they are predestined to salvation, and the fruit of that is the attending a church that believes that. If that sounds like circular reasoning, it is. “We’re saved because our church teaches we’re presdestined.” “How do you know if you’re one of the elect?” “You attend a church that believes in predestination.” There are so many verses that says “whosoever will…” and “whosever believeth…” that I could be here all day quoting them! John 3:16 alone refutes Calvinism. Calvinism is a MUCH bigger error, as the odds are against any of those Presbyterians being saved – since they think that they’re predestined, why bother?

So, if almost every form of Protestantism involves grace plus works, or paedo-baptism, or even an absence of being born again in many cases – why are we calling them “brothers and sisters?” It’s very probable that some, if not many, of these are following a different Jesus, not the Lord Jesus Christ who went to the Cross, rose again from the dead and ascended into heaven!

All the verses about loving one another and unity of the bretheren refer to those following the Lord Jesus Christ. And John tells us that we know we are His if we keep His commandments, and they are not grevious.

But for those who walk disorderly, teaching other doctrines…

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. 19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil. 20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. Romans 16:17-20 (KJV)

Paul refers to those that teach other doctrines – like Paedo-baptism and salvation by grace plus works, as “serve not our Lord Jesus Christ”, and even refers to them as “Satan” in verse 20. We are to mark them – and avoid them. Not join Facebook pages with them.

we may not like it – but that’s what the Bible commands.