Ekklesiology 3

Really short one today, since the last two were so complicated.

There’s only two officers of the church. Bishop and Deacon.

There are three terms for Bishop used in Scripture – Pastor, Bishop, elder.

There’s no such thing as an elder board.

There’s no such thing as a deacon board.

There’s no organization within a church Biblically that has oversight over a pastor except one.

The congregation.

There! Nice and easy to understand!

What happens when the pastor goes through a power trip? Leave it for the Lord. What if he really becomes abusive? THe Lord usually takes care of that. There’s a scandal and they’re removed from power.

how does the congregation take care of that?

Simple vote. Like how you choose your pastor.

Be exceptionally careful about removing a pastor from power. You must be convinced beyond all doubt the Lord wants him to step down, and he is refusing.


What is Ekklesiology 2

What are the ordinances of the church?

There are two. Baptism and the Lord’s supper.

There are three types of Lord’s supper doctrinally – you either believe in open, close, closed.

Open would be that any believer is free to observe it.

Close would be that only believers of likeminded churches in faith and practice.

Closed would be confined to members of your church. Closed communion is usually observed at the Sunday Night service, to keep out strangers. It’s usually not recieved too well when the bread and juice pass by Christians who don’t understand the position.

“The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.” (1 Corinthians 10:16–17, KJV)

Since we found yesterday that the word Church is local only and not universal, the body referred to in 1 Cor. 10:17 is then a local, individual church. This took me a long time to be comfortable with – I was too wedded to the idea that the Lord’s Table is open to every Christian. But we conform our beliefs to Scripture and not the other way around.

The partakers of the bread must all belong to that church. So the Lord’s table is closed, not close. If you believe the Church is an invisible universal entity, then you’d naturally gravitate towards open.

Since we saw yesterday that’s not the case Biblically, that leaves only one answer.

Baptism comes from an understanding that one is being buried with the Lord. Your entire body must be placed under the water. Some churches hold to a belief it must be natural water. I’ve never seen unnatural water, so yes, you can use tap water.

Just make sure the pump for the baptismal is grounded. We don’t want the burial literal.

I heard it for years that Baptism is the door of the church. It’s too well established. I bow my head to it, and there you go.

There’s three ways into the door – letter, statement, and baptism. If you were baptised once by a Bible believing church, it’s valid. You can then bring a letter from that church making that known.

Suppose you leave your church on bad terms? Or they have become Ichabod (candlestick removed)?

The letter is either not forthcoming, or invalid. The letter has to be from a church. That’s why we have statement. The statement is that you are a believer in Christ, have been born again, and were baptised.

As mentioned yesterday, the Baptist brider would be reading this and saying, “yes, but…”

In their eyes, the person administering the baptism must have the authority to administer baptism. If baptism is the door into the church, and the true church must be able to prove its descent from the Jerusalem church started between Matthew 16&18, then the person administering the baptism must have been baptised by a true church.

That’s a convoluted belief that I don’t agree with, but recognize you may be asked to be re-baptized if you join an IFB church, as some of those are Briders.

My seminary was Baptist Brider. I learned a HUGE amount attending there. I still dont agree with Brider distinctives.

An article intended to clear up misunderstandings now has left you hopelessly confused.

Just think of closed baptism, and baptism-letter-statement. You’re good to go.

What Is Eklesiology?

Almost done with the basic primer on theology!

Ekklesiology is the study of the church, it’s offices and officers.

I’m going to strongly say at the outset that while I suppose you could call me Landmarkist, I’m not a Baptist Brider.

I believe John the Baptist had a limited office, that of making straight the paths for the Lord. He was the forerunner, that was all.

If you know much about Baptist Briders – and I don’t think any of my readers are Briders – you’ll know that’s a sharply defining statement.

Can any believer baptize you? Yes. That’s another sharply defining doctrinal belief. Every Baptist Brider would read that and shout, “NO!”

Do I believe a Charismatic church could do a year long Biblical study on doctrine, get themselves doctrinally right, stop the Charismatica, and become a true church of the Lord Jesus Christ? Yes. There’s some pre-suppositions there, such as recognizing they may have called upon the wrong Jesus Christ for salvation and rectified that, etc.

But a Baptist Brider would say no. To the Brider, only a church that is directly descended from the original Jerusalem church started by Jesus Christ between Matthew 16 and 18 is a true church. The others are not true churches.

My belief is that the beliefs and practices of a church define themselves as a true church of the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s why the Lord threatens in Revelation 2&3 to remove the candlesticks of those churches. Can a true church lose their status as a church?

Yes. The Lord states that in Revelation 2&3.

so then it must be that a false church, if they adopt the true beliefs and practices of a church can become a true church.

Let’s define the word Church bibilically. A church is a local, visible assembly of believers.

What is the Church not?

It is not an invisible universal assembly of all the saved.


You heard me. That term is actually Kingdom. Too many Christians have been borrowing the Augustinian definition of the Church without stopping to examine their Bibles. Elementary hermeneutics teaches us that we define a worod by the Bible and that if a word is present 50 times with one meaning and 1 time with another, we go with the 50. More clear interpretations trump less clear.

So go through all the verses in the Bible of church, and write down whether it is local or universal. If it could go either way, write LU. Count the L’s. You’ll stop using the term “Universal church” in a matter of minutes.

What is Anthropology?

Anthropology is not the digging in the sands of Egypt, although that sounded like a neat job when I was 9 years old. All that hanging around with King Tut. That sounds groovy to a nine year old.

Anthropology in Theology is literally the study of man. Not a whole lot of good in the Bible about man.

We’re usually criticized.

Until we get saved.

Then God sings about us.

Spend some time thinking about that today.

What Is Angelology?

What is Angelology?

Study of Angels.

It’s brief.

There’s good angels.

There’s bad angels.

a third of the angels in heaven rebelled against God.

Two thirds did not.

It’s always amused me the excuse I hear for tongue speaking. “We speak in the tongues of angels so that Satan doesn’t understand us.”

Duh. Tell me what’s wrong with that?

Satan is an angel. If it’s the tongue of angels, he understands rabba-dabba-dabba-rondalalalaika, Uoo-shama! Uoo-Shama!

He’s fluent in that, if that really is the tongue of angels.

Don’t worry, it’s not. It’s essentially gibberish. But I’m getting off target.

I read where John Hagee – when I still read his nonsense – wrote he doubted the number of fallen angels was as many as one third of them.

Well, it’s in the Bible, so there you go!

There are three levels of Angels – Malachim, messengers – Cheruv and Seraf. The Four living beings were Seraphim, which is a form of the word for serpent. Why that word?

No clue.

Should we pray to angels?


Should we talk to angels?

Only if one shows up at your door and starts talking to you first. Test the spirits, beloved!

Should we rebuke the fallen angels?

The biblical example is to say “The Lord rebuke thee!” That’s it. Anything more than that exceeds your authority.

Much more than this we don’t know. But in about a little oer one thousand years from now, you’ll be able to ask them about it.

What is Soteriology?

If you’ve been reading this blog, you’ll know I place a LARGE emphasis on soteriology. Shame to know everything there is about Jesus Christ and not bother getting saved. Eternity is a long time to be wrong.

and a painful experience.

Soteriology is the opposite of Hamartiology.

I’ve read articles where teachers have tried to teach that the doctrine “one sin will send you to hell” is wrong. Their attitude is that we inherit the sin of Adam and Eve, and thus we are destined for Hell anyway. This may be true – but I find it’s far easier to explain to people that we are personally responsible for our sins.

One sin will send you to Hell.

Grasp that. Now, how many times have you sinned?

How can you overcome the sin? You’ve offended a thrice-Holy God. your hands and all their works are stained by that sin.

You are incapable of overcoming that. Every work you attempt to perform to overcome that is insufficient. And if it were sufficient, your hands are stained by the sin, and everything they touch is tainted.

There is no way. you are doomed forever to Hell.

So God decided long before He created us that He himself would die for us. Bear our penalty. Suffer in our place. He created us knowing we would sin and reject Him. And He suffered and died for us.

Because we were worthy? No. Because we were not.

God is love.

What work do we have to do to earn this? Crawl on our knees from one place in our country to the farthest point? Offer one thousand perfect sacrifices? Do one thousand good works in a row before we sin again?


Two things we must do. Repent – recognize we are sinners deserving of Hell. Turn to God in our most wretched moment and declare ourselves powerless. Try this lengthy prayer – “Lord God, save me!”

The next thing we must do is accept it.

Jesus died for our sins.

Can we lose that salvation once we gain it?

No. It’s not your salvation to lose!

I struggled with this issue until I heard someone say that from the pulpit. I’m serious, at that moment my life was changed.

My salvation comes from Jessus Christ. It’s His to Give.

If we could lose it, nobody would make it to heaven. We’d lose it in minutes, and thus Christ would have died in vain.

Soteriology is recognizing Hamartiology, its consequences, and calling upon God to save us. Literally, everything we’ve studied up till now is bound up in this lesson. God, Christ, Holy Spirit, Bibliology, Hamartiology are bound in Soteriology.

Calling upon the wrong Jesus to save you will result in hell fire. The “first born again man” concept of the word-faith preachers cannot save. The “Good moral teacher” cannot save. The “first man to keep the Torah and thus was chosen as Moshiakh” of the Torah Observant Messianics cannot save.

But the “God in Human flesh, eternally existent Son of God” saves. Jesus of Nazareth is God in human flesh, one third of the Trinity, eternally the Son of God in ways we cannot understand – this one saves.

God is love. Christ is Love. Christ is forgiveness.

Jesus of Nazareth- Yeshua Ha’Netzari (or Notzri depending on your accent!) – is not a man who ended up God somehow. He always was God. Pre-existenent. Always the Son of God.

Took your place on the Cross.

Gave you salvation.

The Holy Spirit sealed you unto the day of redemption

Question of the day – what if the tree of life in the garden of Eden was cross shaped?

Logos 8 Decision

As you all know, because I blab about it ad nauseum, Logos 8 is out. And of course it came out two days after I had the money for it, but I’d spent it. If Logos had announced version 8 was out, I’d have already written articles on how to use it, etc.

I’m in the middle of a theology primer series right now, so it’s either interrupt that to talk about Logos or just wait until I’m done.

That part I haven’t decided. I could get the feature upgrade for $74, or Logos Baptist Starter for $70. I really can’t see the difference in the two packages, so I’m going to go with Baptist Starter.

For another hundred – which I don’t have but would love – I could upgrade to Baptist Bronze, which is the package I had with Logos 7. I’ d gotten Logos 6 Baptist Starter a while ago, then gotten regular Bronze. I can’t remember if I got the Baptist Bronze or not. It’s been a busy couple of years.

I know Logos 7 didn’t last long compared to 6 or 5. I’m thinking it came out a year too early.

I’m rambling. Too much coffee I guess, and a snuffly nose which I keep getting up to go blow my nose, and by the time I come back to my Dell laptop, I’ve lost my train of thought.

I’m going to get Logos 8. Okay, back to your regularly scheduled day.